Sham67 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mycroft said: I want it before now - your just a shill of the club how much are they paying you? If we don't get 6 points next game then we want a Wednesday employee burnt at the stake. I'm gonna Scweem Scweem and Scweem £40k a week mate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 49 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: We are being charge premier league prices for shocking football. I think fans have every right to be pi55ed off. It's a fair point, but also got bugger all to do with Jos. Perhaps even a testament to the size of Jos' balls, as he's not letting it get in the way of what he deems necessary, despite it resulting in the fans getting on his back. End of the day, as long as we do enough to stay in this division, I have no complaints over not playing overpaid wasters who won't be playing a part in the upcoming seasons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I would rather give a new manager time than giving Jos another game to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sham67 said: £40k a week mate. That's powerful! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, torres said: Are we any better after 1 year and a full pre season in charge? Do we have the same players though? Through losing players to long term injury or just leaving the club, without being able to replace, we've got a weaker and less experienced squad. So no, we're not better, but how could we be? And how is that the managers fault? Basically I agree with the OP, to which I'd add that not one of us really knows what the situation is with respect to players contracts or bonuses. There are rumours that Westy will have a new contact triggered if he plays a couple more games, presumably on increased wages at a time when we need to be cutting costs. I don't know how true that is, but I often wonder if there is more to the absence of some of our players than Jos's stubbornness. In any case, if Hutch, Jones and Boyd are the answer, christ knows what the question is.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 46 minutes ago, LittleG said: A lot of the points you raise are valid but don't forget the flip side. We have not moved forward at all since his reign began..... How on earth can we move forward when we've lost experienced players, we can't afford replacements, and we may yet need to sell one or more of our few saleable players, again without being able to replace....... I can't understand how people don't see that. The utter conundrum that Jos finds himself in is that we have no choice but to move backwards, yet not so far back that we get relegated. I don't know if he'll be succesful, but I have no doubt that his replacement will have just as big a struggle to balance the fans demands with financial reality. And BTW. So many complaints about our defensive and negative tactics on Friday, yet people are calling for the appointment of Mick McCarthy. Say what??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) Square peg round hole. Jos is not the man for this club. Why give him more time . The guy needs to go while we have time to rectify where he has got us. People need to wake up we are 17th and falling fast. Edited November 11, 2018 by ZicoSterland2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Great opening post In jos we trust *except when he’s dropping boll*cks left right and centre. Doesn’t know his best side after 11 months. Changes the defence every game. Has us looking like a pub side hanging on for a draw in a Sheffield derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Roy Of The Roasters said: Do we have the same players though? Through losing players to long term injury or just leaving the club, without being able to replace, we've got a weaker and less experienced squad. So no, we're not better, but how could we be? And how is that the managers fault? Basically I agree with the OP, to which I'd add that not one of us really knows what the situation is with respect to players contracts or bonuses. There are rumours that Westy will have a new contact triggered if he plays a couple more games, presumably on increased wages at a time when we need to be cutting costs. I don't know how true that is, but I often wonder if there is more to the absence of some of our players than Jos's stubbornness. In any case, if Hutch, Jones and Boyd are the answer, christ knows what the question is.......... Not much in it mate, we’ve lost Loovens, Venancio, Wallace and Rhodes from the 18 on duty last time around Everyone else are still available, plus Pelupessy Onomah and Hector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Not much in it mate, we’ve lost Loovens, Venancio, Wallace and Rhodes from the 18 on duty last time around Everyone else are still available, plus Pelupessy Onomah and Hector And Hunt and Clare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 No one is doubting that a major rebuild is needed but you can’t trust it with the wrong manager Should we have trusted the 2002 rebuild with Terry Yorath? Nope Should we have trusted the 2010 rebuild with Alan Irvine? Err no We need someone who we can all get behind and believe in. Jos isn’t the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Some good points made by OP and I do have sympathy for Jos. No issues with not picking players who will not be with us next season, and love to see youngsters given a chance, but can't help but be concerned about style of play and lack of attacking intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 The thing I don't get is... If people are worried about going backwards. ..do they genuinly not think putting in aging players on big money contracts with renewal clauses on improved terms would set us back even further? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Would giving 30 odd years olds extended terms help us going to to next season when we're trying to save money? Would it not stop us bringing in any fresh faces? You have to suspect it would also force us to look at cashing in on the Crown Jewels like Bannan, Fernando and Reach to bolster other areas instead. Which would be a far harsher blow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Utah Owl said: Maybe that might be how he takes things forward from here. The old adage of building from the back still applies. Building from the back id OK, if we actually get out of our half, playing 6 defenders and having Fletcher as the only person allowed to go into oppositions half will get us 46 points a season and relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) Some excellent points on the OP. However, I can understand if Jos has decided to not select the old guard & go with the youngsters but it shouldn't be done to the detriment of our league position, dressing room harmony & causing supporters negativity. If he's going to discount a number of players he should at least be picking the best ones of those left available & playing them in their best positions with a consistent system & tactics to suit their abilities. If he's not going to do that then it's a Jos out for me. Edited November 11, 2018 by mogbad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Why does it have to be a major rebuild? Surely it’s not necessary, and puts us at the risk of relegation. Yes players, most of whom are out of contract, need to leave, we understand that. It maybe that a couple of our better players also may have to leave. While they are here though, if they can be of use to us, use them, we are paying them. This should be a managed transition, flooding the squad with kids will only see us struggle Most of them are not ready to step up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Its a mess init Nothing to say a new face would make much difference this season , if we get close to the bottom though after new year then fresh imputes of a manager may be needed . Who knows what constraints Jos is working under . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, hugeowl said: Its a mess init Nothing to say a new face would make much difference this season , if we get close to the bottom though after new year then fresh imputes of a manager may be needed . Who knows what constraints Jos is working under . The question I keep asking myself is what has improved under him? What stamp has he put on the club in his time here? Are we more attacking? Are we more solid? Are we fitter or more hard working? Do we have a brand of football, a style, a system? Are we progressing as a team? The answer i give to all of these are no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 You missed off Van Aken. Isn’t he still on the books? If so - Another sterling buy. Possibly he could our next “crock” saviour - along with all the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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