Matt Penney Contract

[Sonny]

Well done kiddo

 

 

 

[s6 owl]

4 minutes ago, Sonny said:

Well done kiddo

 

 

 

Well deserved.

[OxonOwl]

Well done Matt!

[beswetherick]

No brainer to sign him up. Long term contract on a decent enough wage for a young player with generous bonuses, wage increasing after he’s played x amount of games for us. It’s like none of you have played footy manager before. 

 

I really really hope we learn from our mistakes and don’t let him go for nowt. 

[Mystic Neg]

Taken two months of promising performances to beat the club for not signing him up on a hefty contract.

 

He is worth getting on a new contract at Wednesday and he's already got more 1st team experience than Hirst or Clare which means the club will I'm sure offer him more favourable terms.

 

His comments could quite easily be taken out of context. Blame the media for this one or more likely his agents for trying to upset the apple cart. He isn't thinking about it could quite easily mean he hasn't asked for one and he is pleased with his development and or current situation.

 

 

[room0035]

4 hours ago, CraigSGM said:

 

He kinda has come out of nowhere this season. Yes, he's always looked good at youth level, against other kids. Send him out to Bradford and then Mansfield at League Two level and those managers thought that he wasn't good enough for their first 11. 

 

So if U23s level is well short of League 2 standard, it sure as hell is a long way from the first team in the Championship.

 

How many 'next big things' have we had bossing it in our youth ranks down the years that haven't made the cut, who are now nowhere to be seen?

The Mansfield one was nothing to do with Penney - Evans signed him he played the first few games and he was in the 18 every game then Evans left and Penney didn't get a look in, if he had - maybe Mansfield would have made the play off but they have the same fool who was at Barnsley Flitcroft so its not exactly a surprise that he could seen the talent under his noise. he didn't play John Stones and let him leave for £3m to Everton who then sold him for £50m two years later. 

 

Penney has proved he is good enough it is time for the club to prove they want him, if we leave it until we are sure he will make it then we will be losing him come January or the end of the season.

 

Its not blind loyalty/stupidity its called valuing youth, you have a manager who says I am only recruiting 19-23 year old then the club he managers only offers youth players 1 year deal and allows good potential talent to get to the last 6 months of their contracts. Which are we a club that value youth or one that doesn't because the manager says one thing and the club with their actions says something else. We need the ;like of Penney, Thorniley signed to longer deals because in a season or two these players may need to be sod to sort the financial mess the club is in and the price we get will be a lot more if they are in long contracts or they leave at the end of he season ala GH and SC for nothing.

[CraigSGM]

19 minutes ago, room0035 said:

The Mansfield one was nothing to do with Penney - Evans signed him he played the first few games and he was in the 18 every game then Evans left and Penney didn't get a look in, if he had - maybe Mansfield would have made the play off but they have the same fool who was at Barnsley Flitcroft so its not exactly a surprise that he could seen the talent under his noise. he didn't play John Stones and let him leave for £3m to Everton who then sold him for £50m two years later. 

  

Penney has proved he is good enough it is time for the club to prove they want him, if we leave it until we are sure he will make it then we will be losing him come January or the end of the season.

  

Its not blind loyalty/stupidity its called valuing youth, you have a manager who says I am only recruiting 19-23 year old then the club he managers only offers youth players 1 year deal and allows good potential talent to get to the last 6 months of their contracts. Which are we a club that value youth or one that doesn't because the manager says one thing and the club with their actions says something else. We need the ;like of Penney, Thorniley signed to longer deals because in a season or two these players may need to be sod to sort the financial mess the club is in and the price we get will be a lot more if they are in long contracts or they leave at the end of he season ala GH and SC for nothing.

 

So you genuinely believe that Matt Penney was on the Mansfield training pitch last season, proving week in week out that he was more than good enough to play in their first team at L2 level, and the manager just didn't pick him because he doesn't know what he's doing?

 

[Guest Jack the Hat]

23 hours ago, David1867 said:

From his interview today it sounds like we haven't offered one and he isn't thinking about it either. 

 

Are we about to lose another one for a pittance? 

Dear me, I must have read a different interview. He said he hasn't thought about it as he's concentrating on establishing himself in the first team but would love to sign a new contract with us. Jos say he will look at it in the international break. In the meantime DC and KM will be putting together an offer. I would be very surprised if we lose him.

[room0035]

1 minute ago, CraigSGM said:

 

So you genuinely believe that Matt Penney was on the Mansfield training pitch last season, proving week in week out that he was more than good enough to play in their first team at L2 level, and the manager just didn't pick him because he doesn't know what he's doing?

 

He was until Evan 's left then Flitcroft froze him out so he return to the owls to train with the under 23's.

 

We as a club are very bad at managing out youth player probably because in the last 10 years, we have under invested in the set up and produced no one of note. Then when we start producing players we continue to under value them and wait and see if they make it.

 

Last season Thorniley was out of contract in the summer went on loan played 20 games at league 2 level came back in January and slotted straight into our team. 

 

Thorniley, Penney, Dawson, Wildsmith all good young players all come through the youth set up all be it maybe not all local lads - they all what do you think they will save us in the next 3-4 years in fees, salaries or maybe could make us in that period. 

 

We are starting to produce good young players but football is a money game now so we need to start valuing these kids and also at the same time making sure that if one become the next Bale, Shearer, Stones etc then we get a decent price for them. 

[Animis]

Watching Penny recently I noticed something different to some of the other young players. Whilst he is clearly talented and does some good things, he also makes mistakes like them all. The difference with him, is he always seems to be involved. His ability to be comfortable moving forward stands him out IMO.

 

He is starting to remind me of a young Mel Sterland.

[WhiteOwl91]

22 hours ago, CraigSGM said:

He's coming through at a really awkward time. I bet there's a few people at the club sat scratching their heads wondering how to tackle this offer. 

 

He looks like the real deal, so do we offer him a deal in line with the senior pros in his position? 

 

Or, do we make him the best paid player in his age group, but still well short of the other first team players?

  

He is young and hasn't played many games. He looks very good, but it's not uncommon for young players to break through, look like world beaters then drop off and end up back in the U23s. With that in mind, a deal in line with the first team seems unlikely. 

  

But, if we offer him a 4 year deal on relatively low wages because of his age and inexperience, unless we're going to renegotiate it twice a season for the rest of the deal, there's a good chance he'll have his head turned by vastly improved offers elsewhere if he continues to develop at the same rate. 

 

We have to get this exactly right, else it could scupper negotiations with all youngsters breaking through for the next few years. Give him a senior wage after six games and everyone coming through will want one. Give him a low wage when he's first choice in his position and the young lads will always be looking elsewhere for a better deal, knowing that younger players at Wednesday don't get paid well, even if you're a first team regular.

 

It could also be the case that Matt and his agent want to hold off until the end of the season, as it puts them in a much stronger position for negotiating a good contract if he's been first choice all year. 

 

I don't envy whoever has to try and work this one out. 

Spot on. 

 

Just look at Rhys McCabe at Rangers and what happened there. 

 

Best player in the old firm on debut, now playing in Ireland after being released by Dunfermline!

Really tough situation.

[CraigSGM]

13 minutes ago, room0035 said:

He was until Evan 's left then Flitcroft froze him out so he return to the owls to train with the under 23's.

 

We as a club are very bad at managing out youth player probably because in the last 10 years, we have under invested in the set up and produced no one of note. Then when we start producing players we continue to under value them and wait and see if they make it.

 

Last season Thorniley was out of contract in the summer went on loan played 20 games at league 2 level came back in January and slotted straight into our team. 

 

Thorniley, Penney, Dawson, Wildsmith all good young players all come through the youth set up all be it maybe not all local lads - they all what do you think they will save us in the next 3-4 years in fees, salaries or maybe could make us in that period. 

 

We are starting to produce good young players but football is a money game now so we need to start valuing these kids and also at the same time making sure that if one become the next Bale, Shearer, Stones etc then we get a decent price for them. 

 

Mate, he literally played 2 games under one manager and was then deemed not good enough by the following manager. At Mansfield Town of all places.

 

If you actually believe that when young lads are having seasons like that we should be putting them on good long term contracts at that time, you've lost the plot.

[CraigSGM]

19 minutes ago, Busyowl said:

Was he really not good enough at Mansfield or was he just not played. Evans took him there then moved onto Peterborough. Flitcroft then became manager and he wasn't his signing - huff said

 

I'm not buying that one. Flitcroft joined Mansfield in March, so none of the squad were his signings.

 

Why can't people accept that last season, it looked as though Penney might not be able to make the step up from kids football to senior football any time soon? Turns out he has done it brilliantly, and thusly deserves a new long term deal, but last season there was absolutely nothing to suggest as such, hence us not offering him a deal then. 

 

[malek]

Steve Evans on Matt Penney

 

Evans clearly rated him highly.

[malek]

13 minutes ago, CraigSGM said:

 

I'm not buying that one. Flitcroft joined Mansfield in March, so none of the squad were his signings.

 

Why can't people accept that last season, it looked as though Penney might not be able to make the step up from kids football to senior football any time soon? Turns out he has done it brilliantly, and thusly deserves a new long term deal, but last season there was absolutely nothing to suggest as such, hence us not offering him a deal then. 

 

 

And he stumbled upon a magic wand this summer, turning him into good player all out of sudden ?!

 

[Beauchief Owl]

Penney deserves a contract and a big raise as he is now a first team player.  He won't command the sort of wages paid to our top players however as he needs to prove himself over a much longer period. 

[owlZfan84]

9 minutes ago, malek said:

Steve Evans on Matt Penney

 

Evans clearly rated him highly.

 

Evans talks a lot of pony there though, lets be reyt.

 

Carlos would never have played him here. And, I don't even think Evans played him that much either? In fact, I even recall Penney saying recently that his time at Mansfield was frustrating.

[CraigSGM]

2 minutes ago, malek said:

 

And he stumbled upon a magic wand this summer, turning him into good player all out of sudden ?!

 

 

A run of good form can come out of the blue. Atdhe last season for example?

[Plonk]

7 minutes ago, malek said:

 

And he stumbled upon a magic wand this summer, turning him into good player all out of sudden ?!

 

No mate he stumbled on a manager who has faith in young players and knows how to develope them. It’s no coincidence so many are now pushing the first team.

[room0035]

2 hours ago, CraigSGM said:

 

Mate, he literally played 2 games under one manager and was then deemed not good enough by the following manager. At Mansfield Town of all places.

 

If you actually believe that when young lads are having seasons like that we should be putting them on good long term contracts at that time, you've lost the plot.

What I believe is every player that gets promoted from the development squad had been promoted because those in charge have deemed them worth while or good enough to be in that team or first team squad. Most fans have seen and also the manager that he is better than the established Left back we have on a lot more money. If it was me i would be tying him down to a long term contract now, because we are on sky again tonight and he has another good game the premiership scouts will be calling.

 

If we value these players enough to develop and give them first team opportunity then why don't we value them enough to give then anymore than 1 year deals. Why should we be shocked when they then leave to another team offer a longer contract or more money.