Guest Jack the Hat Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 His time at Swansea quickly confirmed something which took longer to become apparent at hillsborough(because of the resources available to him). He is high impact and low sustainability. You come across many people like this in all situations in life. Confidence and or arrogance and or ignorance can get you quite far; but sooner or later someone will start to scratch below the surface..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack the Hat Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 36 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: What he did here was no different to how Trevor Francis did by inheriting an unbeatable Ron Atkinson side and slowly but surely losing his grip on it through lack of management skill It would be like giving you the current manchester city squad and letting you get on with it You are spectacularly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wall Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jack the Hat said: His time at Swansea quickly confirmed something which took longer to become apparent at hillsborough(because of the resources available to him). He is high impact and low sustainability. You come across many people like this in all situations in life. Confidence and or arrogance and or ignorance can get you quite far; but sooner or later someone will start to scratch below the surface..... Who has sustainability in the Championship? Longest serving manager is Neil Harris - Appointed in 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Costello 77 said: He has got certain skills... he'd team up well with someone like Stuart Gray... good strong coach with his head screwed on...a bit like Clough and Taylor.... not a comparison btw. That could have been a missed opportunity, didn't they spend a few weeks working together before Gray left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLS about that? Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, trevdi9 said: on the market ,what's he selling Fake £20's Edited September 18, 2018 by OWLS about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Watson said: That could have been a missed opportunity, didn't they spend a few weeks working together before Gray left? Might have done I can't remember. It's all hindsight but it might have been a strong dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, The Claw said: 2 good years at hillsborough First year I'll give you - with the caveat that you can argue getting to Wembley and losing, while then proceeding to address none of the reasons why we lost, doesn't constitute "success". Winds me up when people say we had a good second year. An unbeaten run down the stretch to get us into the play-offs (and above the previous years points total, admittedly) hides the fact that for large parts of that season the football was dreadful, people weren't happy and for most of the season it genuinely felt "different".. not right.. like a regression in many ways. There were massive question marks throughout the second season over tactics, positions that still weren't properly addressed, players coming in and not contributing, the direction and identity of the team.. Then we utterly surrendered the play-offs. Rolled the dice with a high risk gameplan for the first leg that didn't pay off with a gutless non-display during the second. Carlos' tenure for me is quite simple. Some good, some bad, lots and lots of confusion, frustration and question marks that arguably still effect us approaching a year after he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: Might have done I can't remember. It's all hindsight but it might have been a strong dynamic. Total utmost respect for Stuart Gray As a person and a coach One day a club will give him a chance . The football industry needs the Gary Bowyers and Stuart Grays not the Carlos Carvallals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Can everyone on this thread showing negativity confirm they never sang ‘Carlos had a dream’, loved getting to the playoffs in his first 2 years and had a brilliant day at Wembley. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just a reminder in his first two seasons we got into the playoffs, and we watched some glorious football. No one complained. Ultimately he failed, as do many managers - generally they do alright, then do a bit sh*t, then get fired. Carlos is no different here. Some of the issues that have come to light do raise eyebrows, but not all of it should fall on Carlos. It's not healthy to have this obsession / grudge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Can we create a separate area of the forum called " Club Wrecker " and have all the posts about this self obsessed waste of space put there, in size 4 font ? Don't know how he gets away with it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, bigdan2003 said: Just a reminder in his first two seasons we got into the playoffs, and we watched some glorious football. No one complained. Ultimately he failed, as do many managers - generally they do alright, then do a bit sh*t, then get fired. Carlos is no different here. Some of the issues that have come to light do raise eyebrows, but not all of it should fall on Carlos. It's not healthy to have this obsession / grudge. I think it's the manner in which he's doing it. As some say, some ex managers have class. He has none. NOTHING is ever his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: Total utmost respect for Stuart Gray As a person and a coach One day a club will give him a chance . The football industry needs the Gary Bowyers and Stuart Grays not the Carlos Carvallals Maybe... sometimes you need a bit of a maverick who's good with the press and the owner/board.... I haven't got strong views about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Swipe left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, bigdan2003 said: Some of the issues that have come to light do raise eyebrows Hence the main reason people have a grudge We're the ones left with paying the price for years to come Why some fans still defend this absolute travesty of a time under Carlos I will never know because 99% of the issues at this football club have come directly from his actions Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimisticowl Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: What he did here was no different to how Trevor Francis did by inheriting an unbeatable Ron Atkinson side and slowly but surely losing his grip on it through lack of management skill It would be like giving you the current manchester city squad and letting you get on with it Atkinson didn’t sign Warhurst, Waddle, Walker, Bart-Williams and Bright, who helped to transform his side into a top Premier League side, true he finally lost it, Sinton was IMHO the catalyst to our mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobsworth Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Let’s face it, he’s like everyone else, he just likes to get away from the wife as often as possible. I bet she’s a reyt nagging fishwife, has tattoos, and looks like a drag queen. That’s the real reason he’d consider a job back in England 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjtowl1972 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Have a look at our balance sheet, the players out, the fact that the youngsters like Penney, Thorniley, Dawson all being told the door was closed to them playing for the first team etc It's really not that difficult to grasp this one once you look past his salesman techniques of selling his own hype to you Got to agreed with how Carlos didn't look to the youngsters. Play Thorniley - good homegrown centreback OR Pay £4 Million for Van Aken - Never heard of him & turns out to be utter Sh!te. What a CLOWN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just a loveable rogue. Arthur Daly’s lovechild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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