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His time at Swansea quickly confirmed something which took longer to become apparent at hillsborough(because of the resources available to him). He is high impact and low sustainability. You come across many people like this in all situations in life. Confidence and or arrogance and or ignorance can get you quite far; but sooner or later someone will start to scratch below the surface.....

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36 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

What he did here was no different to how Trevor Francis did by inheriting an unbeatable Ron Atkinson side and slowly but surely losing his grip on it through lack of management skill


It would be like giving you the current manchester city squad and letting you get on with it
 

You are spectacularly right.

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4 minutes ago, Jack the Hat said:

His time at Swansea quickly confirmed something which took longer to become apparent at hillsborough(because of the resources available to him). He is high impact and low sustainability. You come across many people like this in all situations in life. Confidence and or arrogance and or ignorance can get you quite far; but sooner or later someone will start to scratch below the surface.....

 

Who has sustainability in the Championship? Longest serving manager is Neil Harris - Appointed in 2015

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16 minutes ago, The Claw said:

2 good years at hillsborough

 

First year I'll give you - with the caveat that you can argue getting to Wembley and losing, while then proceeding to address none of the reasons why we lost, doesn't constitute "success".

 

Winds me up when people say we had a good second year. An unbeaten run down the stretch to get us into the play-offs (and above the previous years points total, admittedly) hides the fact that for large parts of that season the football was dreadful, people weren't happy and for most of the season it genuinely felt "different".. not right.. like a regression in many ways. There were massive question marks throughout the second season over tactics, positions that still weren't properly addressed, players coming in and not contributing, the direction and identity of the team..

 

Then we utterly surrendered the play-offs. Rolled the dice with a high risk gameplan for the first leg that didn't pay off with a gutless non-display during the second.

 

Carlos' tenure for me is quite simple. Some good, some bad, lots and lots of confusion, frustration and question marks that arguably still effect us approaching a year after he's gone.

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11 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

Might have done I can't remember.

It's all hindsight but it might have been a strong dynamic.

Total utmost respect for Stuart Gray 

As a person and a coach 

One day a club will give him a chance .

The football industry needs the Gary Bowyers and Stuart Grays not the Carlos Carvallals 

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Just a reminder in his first two seasons we got into the playoffs, and we watched some glorious football. No one complained. 

 

Ultimately he failed, as do many managers - generally they do alright, then do a bit sh*t, then get fired. Carlos is no different here. 

 

Some of the issues that have come to light do raise eyebrows, but not all of it should fall on Carlos. 

 

It's not healthy to have this obsession / grudge. 

 

 

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Just now, bigdan2003 said:

Just a reminder in his first two seasons we got into the playoffs, and we watched some glorious football. No one complained. 

 

Ultimately he failed, as do many managers - generally they do alright, then do a bit sh*t, then get fired. Carlos is no different here. 

 

Some of the issues that have come to light do raise eyebrows, but not all of it should fall on Carlos. 

 

It's not healthy to have this obsession / grudge. 

 

 

 

I think it's the manner in which he's doing it. As some say, some ex managers have class. He has none.  NOTHING is ever his fault.

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4 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

Total utmost respect for Stuart Gray 

As a person and a coach 

One day a club will give him a chance .

The football industry needs the Gary Bowyers and Stuart Grays not the Carlos Carvallals 

Maybe... sometimes you need a bit of a maverick who's good with the press and the owner/board.... I haven't got strong views about it.

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1 minute ago, bigdan2003 said:

Some of the issues that have come to light do raise eyebrows


Hence the main reason people have a grudge

We're the ones left with paying the price for years to come

Why some fans still defend this absolute travesty of a time under Carlos I will never know because 99% of the issues at this football club have come directly from his actions

 


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1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

What he did here was no different to how Trevor Francis did by inheriting an unbeatable Ron Atkinson side and slowly but surely losing his grip on it through lack of management skill


It would be like giving you the current manchester city squad and letting you get on with it
 

 

Atkinson didn’t sign Warhurst, Waddle, Walker, Bart-Williams and Bright, who helped to transform his side into a top Premier League side, true he finally lost it, Sinton was IMHO the catalyst to our mediocrity.

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2 hours ago, @owlstalk said:


Have a look at our balance sheet, the players out, the fact that the youngsters like Penney, Thorniley, Dawson all being told the door was closed to them playing for the first team etc

It's really not that difficult to grasp this one once you look past his salesman techniques of selling his own hype to you

Got to agreed with how Carlos didn't look to the youngsters.

 

Play Thorniley - good homegrown centreback

                               OR

Pay £4 Million for Van Aken - Never heard of him & turns out to be utter Sh!te.

 

What a CLOWN.     :carlos:

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