Marc Degryse Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Ridiculous... Never a sending off. Especially considering it was 4 mins in and a first offence. Ref should have realised it was the club captain and had a word with him with a yellow card. The penalty was a harsh enough punishment, referees used to have a bit of common sense. IMO it wasn't even a foul but thats neither here nor there really. Summary: Shocking run of poor refereeing decisions are exacerbating a terrible run of results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Marc Degryse said: Ridiculous... Never a sending off. Especially considering it was 4 mins in and a first offence. Ref should have realised it was the club captain and had a word with him with a yellow card. The penalty was a harsh enough punishment, referees used to have a bit of common sense. IMO it wasn't even a foul but thats neither here nor there really. Summary: Shocking run of poor refereeing decisions are exacerbating a terrible run of results. It's a joke really the fouls on Hooper and Fletcher were on par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebowl Yell Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Was never a pen and never a sending off absolutely. We would have won at least 4-0 if that ref didn't screw us over and the Carlos Outers and pigfiltrators would have had to go back in their caves for another week. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Should not really come into refs mind if it was 4th min, if Loovens is club captain or if it was his first offence. Should judge it on its merits. Thought in modern football where its gone a bit soft was a pen and sending off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 What happened to the double jeopardy rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I can’t see how it’s a sending off . Unfortuantly in today’s stupid game it’s a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 45 minutes ago, akbuk said: What happened to the double jeopardy rule Supposedly that only comes into play where a genuine attempt has been made to play the ball As the ref has decided there's no genuine attempt to play the ball (which to be fair there wasn't), the second he decided it's a penalty offence it's also a red card offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon78 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Vydra is through, Loovens pushes him its a sending off whether Vydra goes down quicker than backstreet hooker is not the point there was still contact. I thought contact was outside the area though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl 44 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I think if it was the other way round we would be clamouring for their player to be sent off. Which makes it all the more baffling that he didn't give Fletcher a penalty because refs often look to balance things up, particularly as it was so early in the game. On another note, did anybody think the initial contact started outside the box? Would still be a sending off but no penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 7 hours ago, Marc Degryse said: Ref should have realised it was the club captain and had a word with him with a yellow card. Should the referee have recognised Loovens' lack of pace as well? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Looven's is probably this weeks fall guy/target/scapegoat for the same posters that was biggin up his return, i think he's a class player when on form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronseal Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 31 minutes ago, Thewaynesday said: I think the worst thing is how so many fans can’t see the pigs for the mud. I really dont get this opinion...every gruntbag i know..to a man..are desperate for cc to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 It was possibly the right decision, I was 120yd away and will not be watching any replays so I can't be sure. However what I am absolutely sure of is if the same foul had been committed on FF we would not have got the penalty. Infact a very similar foul was made on FF at Forest last season . It was a clear foul in a better goal scoring position and we got zilch For all those saying we are making excuses I would say go to games and watch. We are way on the debit side when it comes to decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl In Black Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Marc Degryse said: Ridiculous... Never a sending off. Especially considering it was 4 mins in and a first offence. Ref should have realised it was the club captain and had a word with him with a yellow card. The penalty was a harsh enough punishment, referees used to have a bit of common sense. IMO it wasn't even a foul but thats neither here nor there really. Summary: Shocking run of poor refereeing decisions are exacerbating a terrible run of results. Except that all games have an official observer and failure to issue a mandatory sanction would see the ref crucified in application of law and whatever else the observer could find. 1st 2nd or 119th minute of extra time if you award a penalty there it has to be followed by a red. Also the laws of the game specifically state that the captain has no special priveleges so again theres no wiggle room, because he is club captain. Sadly this isnt a common sense decision its a mandatory. Common sense decisions are like when Mike Jones ruled out Leroy Fer for Norwich when they were supposed to be playing the ball back or Mike Dean keeping a brum player in the villa half so they couldnt restart whilst brum were at the other end celebrating. Edited October 22, 2017 by Warringtonowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSWFC Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Loovens fouled him and it denied a obvious goalscoring opportunity as he was last man. Double jeopardy doesn't apply as he shoved him and didn't make an attempt for the ball. No complaints. My only complaint would be towards Loovens for his stupidity. No need to make the challenge. Had Vydra gone through and scored we could still have recovered with 11 men. Vydra might not have even scored and it'd still be 0-0 with 11 v 11. If you're going to give a penalty away at least make a challenge for the ball so that the double jeopardy rule comes into play and you only get a yellow. As club captain he should know better and totally deserves the blame. Credit must go to the 10 that had to pick up the pieces and battled on admirably for the rest of the match. They could have easily thrown the towel in but they fought for the manager and club, really had Derby frustrated until the second goal and could even have nicked a late point but for that goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, akbuk said: What happened to the double jeopardy rule Have a proper read at that rule. Its plastered all over Owlstalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 The fact that Loovens still gets a shirt speaks volumes for our recruitment. He should have been replaced last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I blame DC not loovens the guy has been out injured had no game time to sharpen up and thrown back into the first team. The under 23 played midweek pudil, Butterfield and fox get a run out and only 1 plays I would have given loovens 60 minutes to sharpen up but what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 What's more alarming for me is that ithe striker was one and one with the keeper. The number of times this has happen d so far this season is madness, every game at least a couple. Not sure what we are doing different but teams are now exploiting the space between the back line and the keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 You push somebody you take the chance. Glenn knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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