Holmowl Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Kameron said: Point being that people think things are so much better when he's in the side, the fact is they are clearly not. Not sure why you are getting hammered for having a different view about a player. But anyway, Fantastic to have a quality player back. I see see him as a shoe-in starter if fully fit. But even if you don't rate him as highly as I do, I guess you will be delighted to have an additional CM fit. Right now we have two, so an injury to Bannan or Jones could have been disasterous. So Carlos has a "problem" now. Jones Bannan Jones Lee Bannan Lee Right now I guess it's an easy pick, of Jones Bannan, with Kieran coming off the bench for either late on. Thereafter, I suppose the perfect solution is for Kieran to make an irresistible case when he gets a cameo, and for Jones and Bannan to make an impossible case to be left out. How good is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroswfc Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Massive boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Kameron said: Yeah please do because his stats don't back this up. Two of his goals were against Bristol, he is knocked off the ball far too easily, this is backed up by him having won only 41% of Duels. He has no assists in his 22 games and has offered nothing in defence, his pass accuracy over 14m is 84% which is fine, shot accuracy is 54% which is average at best. His score performances prior to his injury were poor. -24 against villa on the opening day and didn't really improve, Bristol and Forest were two of his better games. http://www.squawka.com/players/kieran-lee-lee/stats#performance-score#sheffield-wednesday-(current)#football-league-championship#10#season-2016/2017#657#all-matches#1-42#by-match Like i've said before we need better if we're to get out of this divison. Thing I think you're missing about Lee is alot of the stuff that he does brilliantly for us aren't measured with your normal run of the mill stats. Same goes for a player like Reach and Bannan. You might look at it and say well if you can't see him doing the obvious he is no good. But the fact that Lee is never really left out by Carlos when on paper he might not be cutting just shows how good a player he actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Incredible. Best news ever. Welcome back K Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Read Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 44 minutes ago, Kameron said: Yeah please do because his stats don't back this up. Two of his goals were against Bristol, he is knocked off the ball far too easily, this is backed up by him having won only 41% of Duels. He has no assists in his 22 games and has offered nothing in defence, his pass accuracy over 14m is 84% which is fine, shot accuracy is 54% which is average at best. His score performances prior to his injury were poor. -24 against villa on the opening day and didn't really improve, Bristol and Forest were two of his better games. http://www.squawka.com/players/kieran-lee-lee/stats#performance-score#sheffield-wednesday-(current)#football-league-championship#10#season-2016/2017#657#all-matches#1-42#by-match Like i've said before we need better if we're to get out of this divison. Stats only tell you what you want to know. You can manipulate statistics in whatever way you want to aid your cause. If you got his ground covered stats, a heat map and his tackles per game up, I GUARANTEE that he would look like the best player in the league. So if you're going to use statistics, then use the whole picture, not whichever bits you pick and choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 The only midfielder we have that makes runs into the box and is a decent finisher. Can't hurt having him fit again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Kameron said: Each to their own but he's vastly over rated, he was part of the team that produced some awfull perfomances last season and this before his injury. Final evidence you are a pig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, Kameron said: Fair enough but i just don't see that midfield being strong enough over the course of a season, Hutch is a great player but i really think his midfield days are over. Jones has surprised me the past month or so, he's been excellent. Some big decisions to be made in the summer. Certainly will be if we get promoted as I don't see us playing 4-4-2 if we do, be more 4-5-1/4-3-3 I suspect. If we don't get promoted, I think a few adjustments will see us challenging the top 2 places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, NorthernOwl said: Only if you are dim enough to conclude that the only factor that determines how well we play is whether Lee is in the side or not. Considering he has vilified Carlos all season this wind up is bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsHall Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Fk me....biggest game since Wembley, a bit of positive news, and it ends up in handbags....this is what's gone wrong with this season. Just fkn shut up, drink some beer and shout inside S6. UTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Fantastic news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Kameron said: Each to their own but he's vastly over rated, he was part of the team that produced some awfull perfomances last season and this before his injury. Makes you wonder why we're playing anyone from last season then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOwl Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think I said this yesterday but I really think Kieran Lee coming back will bring out the best in Jordan Rhodes. Often JR has been isolated up front for us, even with the return of Gary Hooper there has been a lot of space between the strikers. What is so brilliant about Kieran Lee is that, like Carlos described, he breaks the lines and supports the strikers. Lee and Rhodes will be able to link up together, create space and hopefully actual genuine chances in the box. I've also noticed too that when Kieran Lee plays we seem to be 20/30 yards higher up the pitch, pressing the opposition. Take for example the Bristol City game where Kieran Lee scored the winning goal, the build up to the third involved a fair bit of intricate short passing play in the final third. For me he's the critical player to the way we played last season and I'm delighted he's back so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 38 minutes ago, CrosbyKitchens said: Bannan, all day long. Me too bannan was not good at qpr knocked off ball again too easily offers zero goal threat if he is knocking ball around well he is effective soon as he ain't doing that he is a liability in midfield k Lee is a massive boost just need hutch back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Positive news. For me it should be him and Jones at cm for the remaining games of the season, regardless of whether Hutchinson is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Lee coming back is great news but no need for an immediate change we have won 5 in a row. Well done Jones and BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 2 hours ago, savi said: If hes fully fit get him on the bench with a 10/15 min cameo role if were winning comfortably. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Kameron said: Our midfield is what stopped us going up last season and will be our downfall again this season, Lee is a decent championship player but he's simply not good enough for a side who's ambition is promotion. Results have been pretty much the same for almost two seasons with or without Lee in the side, we need better to achieve promotion. So you're basically saying Lee is at fault for the entire team falling short? He's only one person and does his job brilliantly For me it'd be a straight swap for Bannan (once he gets fitness up ofc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kameron Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, Belfast Owl 2 said: Final evidence you are a pig That travels home and away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 We haven't really missed Lee while he has been out in fact our points return is better without him than with him. To move onto the next level we needed to improve our midfield with a more physical presence which we didnt do. Another problem for Carlos is whether to bring back Hutchinson when fit who has arguably been our player of the season but without him we have won four on the bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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