Lord Snooty Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) You can have as much pace as you want. Doesn't mean a thing if you don't get the ball forward. Edited October 6, 2021 by Lord Snooty 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Conditions last night were horrid. Won’t get too upset about a Tuesday night in the Pizza Cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Im not really the bedwetting type. I have no great expectations of us going up this season. I think what’s starting to get on my nerves is how badly we are playing. I just want to be able to watch a game with a reasonable expectation of being entertained. It also would be nice to think that if we go a goal down we might be able to overturn a deficit once in a while! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: You can have as much pace as you want. Doesn't mean a thing if you don't get the ball forward. It does though. No attacking pace means we get marched up the pitch as there is no danger of a ball through or over as our attackers wont outrun the defenders (who remember will generally always have a head start owing to the offside rule). Our whole team therefore moves backwards especially Bannan and if playing there Hutchinson who always retreat into space. We therefore try and play creative and passing move football a long way from the opponent goal to try and pull the other team out of shape, as we simply dont have the pace to do a team when in shape (a quick forward line can do that). The threat of pace itself sends the opponent defence into retreat. As a CB you want to be closer to your keeper who can help by sweeping the ones through and over you before billy whizz scorches past you and onto it. It has been the same issue really for over 4 seasons now. Monk knew this, and so landed on a system of clean sheets plus set play goals to try and survive. Pulis also saw this and had no answer to it as he was not allowed to buy any players. Moore knows this, and in the absence of the only player who causes any pace threat (windass) is trying to score more goals by pulling the other team out of shape . That means playing out from the back, pulling the opponents closer to our goal when we have the ball in the hope we create space further up the park as a result. All of it is related to no pace in attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickly Kevin Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Conditions last night were horrid. Won’t get too upset about a Tuesday night in the Pizza Cup. Yeah was like playing with a flyaway at times. Crosses going everywhere. Our performance werent good but conditions did nowt for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon barksdale Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Think a big part of our problem is players taking too many touches before releasing it, Not just bannan but many players take 4/5 touches when 1 or 2 will do . Also players often then just pass it to a player who then plays a pass that was on the first time , Hence everything gets slowed down and easy to defend against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Avon barksdale said: Think a big part of our problem is players taking too many touches before releasing it, Not just bannan but many players take 4/5 touches when 1 or 2 will do . Also players often then just pass it to a player who then plays a pass that was on the first time , Hence everything gets slowed down and easy to defend against. Down to quality. best goal we scored last season was Paterson v Cardiff where we got each pass absolutely 100% right. Quality wise in our team that was a one in 500 goal as players arent good enough to do that the other 499 times without a bad touch/ pass. That is not a criticism, as they are in the main cheap players on free transfers, not Mane and Salah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIPPS_S.W.F.C Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 It would be nice to see a settled 1st 11... An identity or style of play... And something just pleasing on the eye,a direction of where we are going or trying to do. At the moment its just a mess with nothing positive... Come on DARREN sort it out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon barksdale Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, mcmigo said: Down to quality. best goal we scored last season was Paterson v Cardiff where we got each pass absolutely 100% right. Quality wise in our team that was a one in 500 goal as players arent good enough to do that the other 499 times without a bad touch/ pass. That is not a criticism, as they are in the main cheap players on free transfers, not Mane and Salah. Some of it is but I deliberately watched Saturday and the amount of times players needlessly held on to the ball was shocking. Moving the ball quicker is just as effective as players with speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just now, Avon barksdale said: Some of it is but I deliberately watched Saturday and the amount of times players needlessly held on to the ball was shocking. Moving the ball quicker is just as effective as players with speed. I agree, but we don't have enough quality to do it very well (rest of this league no different). Also pinging a ball quick into space requires pace to get to that ball. The latter we dont have much of (yet again). It looks great when it comes off (see Paterson v cardiff with every pass and touch perfect from the throw by reach) but our quality means we will very rarely successfully do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, mcmigo said: I agree, but we don't have enough quality to do it very well (rest of this league no different). Also pinging a ball quick into space requires pace to get to that ball. The latter we dont have much of (yet again). It looks great when it comes off (see Paterson v cardiff with every pass and touch perfect from the throw by reach) but our quality means we will very rarely successfully do it. Spot on. The type of football you play is determined by the players you have/the level you are at. You cut your coat according to your cloth. Which is why we're in for a wretched, wasted season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 13 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: They were equally as poo . Why wouldn’t they be? Are we to rejoice at being able to beat a team like Them with a goal right at the death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, mcmigo said: Down to quality. best goal we scored last season was Paterson v Cardiff where we got each pass absolutely 100% right. Quality wise in our team that was a one in 500 goal as players arent good enough to do that the other 499 times without a bad touch/ pass. That is not a criticism, as they are in the main cheap players on free transfers, not Mane and Salah. This is very true However, to me it just means there is even more reason to play the ball into space and get it up the pitch quicker. The more we faff about with the ball at the back or in the middle of the pitch the more likely we are to give it away due to the lack of quality. Get the ball wide as early as possible and run at teams. We never seem to give the opposition something to think about. instead we play predictable football and try and stop them. Let them try and stop us!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, parajack said: Why wouldn’t they be? Are we to rejoice at being able to beat a team like Them with a goal right at the death? We have no god given right to beat anyone. Its not unusual for a higher placed team to make hard work of beating a lower placed team. The bed wetting over a 2-1 win in the Pizza Cup on a horrible Tuesday night is actually quite funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jesus said: This is very true However, to me it just means there is even more reason to play the ball into space and get it up the pitch quicker. The more we faff about with the ball at the back or in the middle of the pitch the more likely we are to give it away due to the lack of quality. Get the ball wide as early as possible and run at teams. We never seem to give the opposition something to think about. instead we play predictable football and try and stop them. Let them try and stop us!! There is no space to play up to, as teams are squeezing us up the park due to no attacking pace. By all means wallop it forward but we will be either offside , the ball will go to the keeper or we will be challenging for it miles from our goal. When we get the ball wide the opposition simply stay in shape and shift over. the faff is to pull the opponents out of shape and create space . no pace up front is the killer. As it was last season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, mcmigo said: There is no space to play up to, as teams are squeezing us up the park due to no attacking pace. By all means wallop it forward but we will be either offside , the ball will go to the keeper or we will be challenging for it miles from our goal. When we get the ball wide the opposition simply stay in shape and shift over. the faff is to pull the opponents out of shape and create space . no pace up front is the killer. As it was last season . Berahino. Quick off the mark and has the ability to drag defenders out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, mcmigo said: There is no space to play up to, as teams are squeezing us up the park due to no attacking pace. By all means wallop it forward but we will be either offside , the ball will go to the keeper or we will be challenging for it miles from our goal. When we get the ball wide the opposition simply stay in shape and shift over. the faff is to pull the opponents out of shape and create space . no pace up front is the killer. As it was last season . I would suggest that the faff allows the opposition to get into shape. You said yourself, the players arent good enough to play fast one touch stuff, it takes 3 or 4 touches before we move it. By then they have had all the time they need to get back into shape and press us. We need to move the ball quicker, we dont have the ability to do that in the middle so get it wide. Keep doing this and the space will appear. Completely agree about pace up top being an issue but we do have pacey players in the side, we just arent using them or using them properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 The guy has put together a decent group of players for this level but he hasn’t got a clue how to get them playing together. He needs sacking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassy knoll Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Avon barksdale said: Think a big part of our problem is players taking too many touches before releasing it, Not just bannan but many players take 4/5 touches when 1 or 2 will do . Also players often then just pass it to a player who then plays a pass that was on the first time , Hence everything gets slowed down and easy to defend against. Agreed, worst culprit for this is wing imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 We don’t have many people who are comfortable on the ball or who can consistently pass accurately. So we have to compensate for this by using pace and power - something else which seems to be in short supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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