Interesting comments re Monk

[mcmigo]

Just now, tomhollywood said:

Just a general comment on the Wednesday managerial situation.

 

We've had 15 in 20 years now. I just want someone to be given some time to build something.

We're stuck in this cycle of managers clearing out other managers signings and constantly treading water.

It's boring.

10pm tonight 

 

Pulis has to go 

[cowl]

1 minute ago, mcmigo said:

10pm tonight 

 

Pulis has to go 

 

 We could sack him now and it would still surely only count as a caretaker appointment.

[Groundhopping Owl]

2 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Loads mate

 

• Cameron Jerome
• Saide Berinho
• James Beattie
• Jermaine Pennant
• Cyrus Christie
• James Chester
• Dave Kitson
• Jose Campana
• During his time at Stoke The PFA had to be called in to settle player disputes, including contract problems, and Pulis freezing out out-of-favour players from the training ground.
• Apprentices - One apprentice recalls running with the ball and being frozen out afterwards without any explanation as to what he had done that was so wrong. 

The list is long

 

Christ, any manager worth his salt would have frozen out Berahino, the guy was an absolute liability.

[@owlstalk]

Just now, Groundhopping Owl said:

Christ, any manager worth his salt would have frozen out Berahino, the guy was an absolute liability.

 

 

Yep - cos the only player on the list was Berahino

 

FFS

[SwellOwl]

Rangel is fair in his assessment to be honest.

 

Monk's approach to giving young players a breakthrough into the first team will hopefully benefit the club long term. However, tactically, Monk was extremely stubborn and maintained the same tactic that did not work and one the players didn't adapt to. It was obvious that the tactic did not work with the players at our disposal, yet wanted to push his philosophy.

 

 

 

 

[Andrew6666]

8 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Yep - cos the only player on the list was Berahino

 

FFS

To be fair, if you put your rose tinted Pulis glasses on, pull a cheap Adidas cap with a Wednesday badge crudely sewn on the front down over one eye, stand 14 metres back from the screen, then squint, it does actually look like Berahino is the only name on that list.

[William 1867]

3 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Tony Pulis has a reputation for playing players out of position and also for freezing players out

Some fans are in for a real big shock if they dont already know this

I can think of several players who need to be frozen by Tone.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

4 hours ago, gurujuan said:

Yeah pretty much sums Monk up. We were going along nicely when he was assessing what he’d inherited . Bruce had set us up in a certain way, and when he left, Bullen saw us through pre season by continuing along the same lines. Monk was brought in, and initially was content to allow things to progress, while getting his feet under the table. We reached the half way point handily placed, sitting third in the table. Moreover, if we could add some pace to the side in the January window, particularly up top, there was no reason why we couldn’t challenge for the play offs. No need to rock the boat. 
However, that’s exactly what Monk did, the minute he decided to impose his own ideas, we fell away alarmingly. Yes he wasn’t helped by the injury to Fletcher, but I thought at the time, too much emphasis was put on that. Basically, Monk lost control, and was clueless on how to turn things around. 

Do you really think he came in in September and just allowed us to cruise control for 3 months before putting his mark on it in December and that’s why it all went wrong.

 

I think we were poor and a bit scrappy the whole time under him tbh. Difference was Westwood, Hutchinson and Fletcher. With those three in the side in the scrappy games you have a decent chance of getting on the right side of the tight margins. Once he kicked out the first two and the latter got injured we fell on the wrong side of the margins and couldn’t get a victory.

 

I can’t really see a big change in how we set up or approached things between the first and second half of the season really

[Guest LondonOwl313]

3 hours ago, 83owl said:

He brought in Iorfa. That is literally the only thing he did during his time here.

How about only losing 4 games out of 18? That’s a massive improvement on the record of the managers either side of him 

 

People are just bitter because he didn’t cover himself in glory when he left. The reality is, last season was the last roll of the dice when it comes to the play offs as we still had some of our better players under contract. Bruce would have had is challenging then who knows.

 

As it was, we wasted the last chance on Monk and now we have a bottom half wage bill so it’s going to be difficult to get back up there anytime soon

[SallyCinnamon]

17 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

How about only losing 4 games out of 18? That’s a massive improvement on the record of the managers either side of him 

 

People are just bitter because he didn’t cover himself in glory when he left. The reality is, last season was the last roll of the dice when it comes to the play offs as we still had some of our better players under contract. Bruce would have had is challenging then who knows.

 

As it was, we wasted the last chance on Monk and now we have a bottom half wage bill so it’s going to be difficult to get back up there anytime soon

Bang on

[Mick70]

56 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Do you really think he came in in September and just allowed us to cruise control for 3 months before putting his mark on it in December and that’s why it all went wrong.

 

I think we were poor and a bit scrappy the whole time under him tbh. Difference was Westwood, Hutchinson and Fletcher. With those three in the side in the scrappy games you have a decent chance of getting on the right side of the tight margins. Once he kicked out the first two and the latter got injured we fell on the wrong side of the margins and couldn’t get a victory.

 

I can’t really see a big change in how we set up or approached things between the first and second half of the season really

Apart from playing ff left wing back ( Luton) pelepoop right back at Brum and some ream selections Barnsley away and a few others set us up pretty much the same nah agree with you can argue all we want the results ( perhaps not the performance) were a lot better when the above 3 musketeers we’re playing? Now we all know there rumers about whatever went off at Xmas but whatever it was it seemed to stop us in our tracks with some players just going through the motions from there on in ? Agree that monk got poo end of stick about having to trim wage bill but brought a lot of problems upon himself with his actions that he took 

[Guest LondonOwl313]

3 minutes ago, Mick70 said:

Apart from playing ff left wing back ( Luton) pelepoop right back at Brum and some ream selections Barnsley away and a few others set us up pretty much the same nah agree with you can argue all we want the results ( perhaps not the performance) were a lot better when the above 3 musketeers we’re playing? Now we all know there rumers about whatever went off at Xmas but whatever it was it seemed to stop us in our tracks with some players just going through the motions from there on in ? Agree that monk got poo end of stick about having to trim wage bill but brought a lot of problems upon himself with his actions that he took 

Well yeah the team selections did seem to get a bit more bizarre and desperate as time went on.. but results had turned well before then. I think that Luton game was the first once where he moved away from 4 at the back. 

Would love to know what went off at Xmas because I literally have no idea lol, and people mention this a lot.

 

Tbh Monk’s press conferences followed the same pattern. Win or draw and he’d praise the players and say we were at our level etc today. Lose and he’d say we weren’t at our usual level and we need a response. Just after Xmas we lost 3 on the bounce for the first time and then he turned on the players and made comments around some of them not being here next season when there were still 20 games to go. From then on we got no response.. tried changing the formation and it made no difference.

 

[Bagarri]

5 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Just read the comments from that player

If you take time to read them thoroughly they actually amount to a load of total waffle

They don't say anything at all

Try it - read what he's saying but instead of taking it at face value, challenge and examine what he's saying

It turns out he's not saying anything at all

 Like 99.9% of all footballers then!? This is an industry where CLINTON MORRISON is a pundit

[Joe Sunburn]

5 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Just read the comments from that player

If you take time to read them thoroughly they actually amount to a load of total waffle

They don't say anything at all

Try it - read what he's saying but instead of taking it at face value, challenge and examine what he's saying

It turns out he's not saying anything at all

That’s how I read it, too. UTO. 
 

[SallyCinnamon]

9 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Well yeah the team selections did seem to get a bit more bizarre and desperate as time went on.. but results had turned well before then. I think that Luton game was the first once where he moved away from 4 at the back. 

Would love to know what went off at Xmas because I literally have no idea lol, and people mention this a lot.

 

Tbh Monk’s press conferences followed the same pattern. Win or draw and he’d praise the players and say we were at our level etc today. Lose and he’d say we weren’t at our usual level and we need a response. Just after Xmas we lost 3 on the bounce for the first time and then he turned on the players and made comments around some of them not being here next season when there were still 20 games to go. From then on we got no response.. tried changing the formation and it made no difference.

 

This was his biggest mistake for me. He called the players out as things started to go wrong. He was probably telling the truth but it’s not the best way to get players on your side. 
 

At this point they gave up with him. 

[83owl]

1 hour ago, LondonOwl313 said:

How about only losing 4 games out of 18? That’s a massive improvement on the record of the managers either side of him 

 

People are just bitter because he didn’t cover himself in glory when he left. The reality is, last season was the last roll of the dice when it comes to the play offs as we still had some of our better players under contract. Bruce would have had is challenging then who knows.

 

As it was, we wasted the last chance on Monk and now we have a bottom half wage bill so it’s going to be difficult to get back up there anytime soon

Doesn’t matter how many games you lose if you’re drawing every week. We went from 15th-16th to 12th so yes a slight improvement but some make it out that we would have won the league had he not left.

[Mick70]

2 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

This was his biggest mistake for me. He called the players out as things started to go wrong. He was probably telling the truth but it’s not the best way to get players on your side. 
 

At this point they gave up with him. 

Yep always use best tools at your disposal? That what we was taught when you first started work? Think that was one of things that went off herd bout couple of others( monk not totally to blame) but hear say so won’t comment any more on that 

[Guest LondonOwl313]

3 minutes ago, 83owl said:

Doesn’t matter how many games you lose if you’re drawing every week. We went from 15th-16th to 12th so yes a slight improvement but some make it out that we would have won the league had he not left.

We didn’t draw every week.. after Jos left the record was Played 24 Won 10 Drew 10 Lost 4.

 

That’s 77 points a season so comfortably play off form sustained over more than half a season. It’s a bit odd to suggest that it was only a slight improvement given we went from achieving 24 points from the first 22 games to 40 points from the last 24 games.

 

Its a massive difference.. albeit the first four of those 24 games were under Bullen and we picked up 8 points. Excluding that we get PPG of:

 

Jos 1.1

Bullen 2

Bruce 1.6

 

Hope we see such a slight improvement this time around too

[matthefish2002]

3 hours ago, tomhollywood said:

Just a general comment on the Wednesday managerial situation.

 

We've had 15 in 20 years now. I just want someone to be given some time to build something.

We're stuck in this cycle of managers clearing out other managers signings and constantly treading water.

It's boring.

 

Modern football though. I dont think Wednesday are the only one to have a stat like 15 manager in 20 years.

When we do get a decent one like Steve Bruce they soon get poached by someone else.

[SallyCinnamon]

11 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

We didn’t draw every week.. after Jos left the record was Played 24 Won 10 Drew 10 Lost 4.

 

That’s 77 points a season so comfortably play off form sustained over more than half a season. It’s a bit odd to suggest that it was only a slight improvement given we went from achieving 24 points from the first 22 games to 40 points from the last 24 games.

 

Its a massive difference.. albeit the first four of those 24 games were under Bullen and we picked up 8 points. Excluding that we get PPG of:

 

Jos 1.1

Bullen 2

Bruce 1.6

 

Hope we see such a slight improvement this time around too

Sadly mate the people on this forum don’t like the facts when they are laid out for them. Under Bruce we were showing Play Off form. Under Monk it was relegation form.