Interesting comments re Monk

[SallyCinnamon]

https://the72.co.uk/202442/we-werent-playing-the-same-ex-swansea-city-man-takes-aim-at-recently-sacked-sheffield-wednesday-boss/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 

Echoes his time at Wednesday too. Started off well making us hard to beat, but was found wanting by not being able to implement a clear style and identity to the way his teams play football.

 

Very limited manager. 

[Manwë]

Alternatively, he was a master tactician, a real scholar of the game and did his homework and adjusted his team to exploit weaknesses in whichever opposition we were up against.

 

Putting the same team out over and over again may be desireable when you've got a Top 2 team to begin with.  We didn't have such a team, and the reason why has nothing to do with Monk.

 

 

[SallyCinnamon]

Just now, Manwë said:

Alternatively, he was a master tactician, a real scholar of the game and did his homework and adjusted his team to exploit weaknesses in whichever opposition we were up against.

 

Putting the same team out over and over again may be desireable when you've got a Top 2 team to begin with.  We didn't have such a team, and the reason why has nothing to do with Monk.

 

 

Erm

 

 

[matthefish2002]

Monk was an average Manager who took over a team on the slide and wasn't good enough to arrest to arrest that slide.
 

[SiJ]

1 minute ago, Manwë said:

Alternatively, he was a master tactician, a real scholar of the game and did his homework and adjusted his team to exploit weaknesses in whichever opposition we were up against.

 

Putting the same team out over and over again may be desireable when you've got a Top 2 team to begin with.  We didn't have such a team, and the reason why has nothing to do with Monk.

 

 

Well, this is a late contender for bo11ocks post of the year.

[SiJ]

Says it all that he himself played in a successful side for several years - who had a distinct brand/philosophy - and then he becomes manager - of that club- and tries to completely change it.

 

Utterly bizarre.

[@owlstalk]

 

 

Just read the comments from that player

If you take time to read them thoroughly they actually amount to a load of total waffle

They don't say anything at all

Try it - read what he's saying but instead of taking it at face value, challenge and examine what he's saying

It turns out he's not saying anything at all

[gurujuan]

Yeah pretty much sums Monk up. We were going along nicely when he was assessing what he’d inherited . Bruce had set us up in a certain way, and when he left, Bullen saw us through pre season by continuing along the same lines. Monk was brought in, and initially was content to allow things to progress, while getting his feet under the table. We reached the half way point handily placed, sitting third in the table. Moreover, if we could add some pace to the side in the January window, particularly up top, there was no reason why we couldn’t challenge for the play offs. No need to rock the boat. 
However, that’s exactly what Monk did, the minute he decided to impose his own ideas, we fell away alarmingly. Yes he wasn’t helped by the injury to Fletcher, but I thought at the time, too much emphasis was put on that. Basically, Monk lost control, and was clueless on how to turn things around. 

[SiJ]

1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Just read the comments from that player

If you take time to read them thoroughly they actually amount to a load of total waffle

They don't say anything at all

Try it - read what he's saying but instead of taking it at face value, challenge and examine what he's saying

It turns out he's not saying anything at all

So like a post on here then?

[@owlstalk]

1 minute ago, SiJ said:

So like a post on here then?

 

 

Pretty much

 

 

 

(apart from mine of course)

[NorthernOwl]

15 minutes ago, Manwë said:

Alternatively, he was a master tactician, a real scholar of the game and did his homework and adjusted his team to exploit weaknesses in whichever opposition we were up against.

 

Putting the same team out over and over again may be desireable when you've got a Top 2 team to begin with.  We didn't have such a team, and the reason why has nothing to do with Monk.

 

 

 

Genuinely not sure if this is meant to be a joke or is actually serious.

[The Night-Owl]

Monk was a dreadful appointment. Said it when he was announced, that he had failed at all of his previous clubs and he was on a downwards trajectory. Monk undone the foundations that Bruce had put in place. Pulis has a tough job to stabilise us after Monk but if he can keep us up and lay the foundations, things may pick up eventually. Hopefully DC, allows Pulis to do things his way and he might do what it seemed Bruce looked like doing. 

[SallyCinnamon]

 

11 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Just read the comments from that player

If you take time to read them thoroughly they actually amount to a load of total waffle

They don't say anything at all

Try it - read what he's saying but instead of taking it at face value, challenge and examine what he's saying

It turns out he's not saying anything at all

I’ve read it. He makes some clear points.

 

1st point - Swansea needed an experienced manager not a club captain.

 

2nd point - Calls Monk a great teammate but hints that he wasn’t necessarily a very good manager. 

 

3rd point - He changed the style of play which went against the principles of the club.

 

4th point - It worked in the short term and he made them hard to beat.

 

5th point - he couldn’t carry it on over a period of time and struggled to find a style or identity to keep them in the division.

 

Edited November 25, 2020 by SallyCinnamon

[0742]

A lot has to be said about the owner and the role he plays in the calibre of managers we attract, the club is an absolute mess and it's also worth noting Monk was unable to bring his own coaching staff in until this summer, that will have had a huge impact on drilling home his own style of play. 

 

That said, for such a job, he was completely the wrong man for the job, he seemed to add more friction to an already disgruntled squad, by alienating key members of the squad. I think his time as a manager is done, he doesn't strike me as someone who keeps ahead of the curve in terms of knowledge, just another manager on the merry go round of mediocrity/failure.

[@owlstalk]

5 minutes ago, 0742 said:

 he seemed to add more friction to an already disgruntled squad, by alienating key members of the squad. 

Key members of the squad?

Who?

[NorthernOwl]

5 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

5th point - he couldn’t carry it on over a period of time and struggled to find a style or identity to keep them in the division.

 

 

This has been something he's been criticised for at every club he's been at.

 

I think he tries to be too clever for his own good and ends up confusing players because they dont know what's being asked of them.

 

Then he wonders why they are making loads of individual mistakes. 

 

He probably has some good ideas but when you are dealing with limited players there is a lot to be said for simplicity.

[SallyCinnamon]

1 minute ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

This has been something he's been criticised for at every club he's been at.

 

I think he tries to be too clever for his own good and ends up confusing players because they dont know what's being asked of them.

 

Then he wonders why they are making loads of individual mistakes. 

 

He probably has some good ideas but when you are dealing with limited players there is a lot to be said for simplicity.

Yes that’s a good point. Leeds and Boro fans said the same about a strong start but falling off completely. 

[0742]

3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

Key members of the squad?

Who?

 

I thought Monk's issues with certain players was common knowledge, hence the 'clean slate' comments of Pulis. But notably, Westwood and Hutchinson, who were/are influential squad members. 

[@owlstalk]

Just now, 0742 said:

 

I thought Monk's issues with certain players was common knowledge, hence the 'clean slate' comments of Pulis. But notably, Westwood and Hutchinson, who were/are influential squad members. 

 

Yeah but they were part of operation CLEAR AAAAHHHHHHT so that mattered little

'Hutch' 'Westy' 'Nando' etc 

 

[SallyCinnamon]

1 minute ago, 0742 said:

 

I thought Monk's issues with certain players was common knowledge, hence the 'clean slate' comments of Pulis. But notably, Westwood and Hutchinson, who were/are influential squad members. 

For such a bad egg, Odubajo has come out and heaped praise on Westwood this week...