Owls Loyal Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Ny Owl in another thread makes the salutory comment that the SWFC Academy has failed to produce a top tier player in 40 years. Stunning but true. We had a good period under Big Jack and Sgt Wilko when three Premier League standard players came through: Mel Sterland Perter Shirtliffe Mark Smith At that time we also had some good support players who emerged and helped us to get to the top tier: Grant, Taylor, Pearson and Oliver. But since then it has been an appalling drought. Particularly with Covid 19 now is time imo to reward this failure by scrapping the Academy. Four years ago Brentford scapped their Age 8 top Age 20 Academy and introduced an "Elite Development Squad" for players 20-23 in age. They then scouted youngsters around Europe to fill the Elite Squad and contuinue to do so. Time for SWFC to take this decisive action. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Key Posted September 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2020 Or, we could run the Academy well and reap the rewards. Just sayin'. 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddyowl Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) The red third of the city don't seem to do too bad do they ? Time for us to pull our fingers out of our backsides and catch up. F0O0OK Brentford !! Edited September 24, 2020 by paddyowl 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I do think that ensuring we can convince the casts offs from City, Man U, Liverpool etc that we are a good place to come is the way forward, although it’s not mutually exclusive with running the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 That fascination with Brentford again. A team that's spent the last 12 years in the championship (after promotion from league one) yes, a fine example to follow. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 36 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: Ny Owl in another thread makes the salutory comment that the SWFC Academy has failed to produce a top tier player in 40 years. Stunning but true. Kevin Pressman and Steven Haslam both played in the top tier, I'm sure there are others too. Not superstars I know but hey ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewswfc Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Graham Hyde and Ryan jones 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Wasn’t half the team last night from the academy? I mean I can understand the sentiment of getting rid of academy if you’re flush and can go buy players and back up players but when you’re losing millions more than you’re allowed having a bunch of back up players on less than a few grand a week seems logical? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Lee Briscoe 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 It is very important to learn from those who do things well. If the UK govenernment had been interested and learned from the handling of Covid 19 in South Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, Germany, etc we might well have had 20,000 deaths fewer here. What is the pronble of learning from Brentford? On crowds of little more than 9000 over many years they have last year reached the Championship Play Off final, have a really good squad, very healthy bank balance and do not have to labour under a points deduction. Scrapping their Academy and setting up the Elite Developoment Squad was in my view a great move. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 We could have course got good money for George Hirst had DC decided to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: Ny Owl in another thread makes the salutory comment that the SWFC Academy has failed to produce a top tier player in 40 years. Stunning but true. We had a good period under Big Jack and Sgt Wilko when three Premier League standard players came through: Mel Sterland Perter Shirtliffe Mark Smith At that time we also had some good support players who emerged and helped us to get to the top tier: Grant, Taylor, Pearson and Oliver. But since then it has been an appalling drought. Particularly with Covid 19 now is time imo to reward this failure by scrapping the Academy. Four years ago Brentford scapped their Age 8 top Age 20 Academy and introduced an "Elite Development Squad" for players 20-23 in age. They then scouted youngsters around Europe to fill the Elite Squad and contuinue to do so. Time for SWFC to take this decisive action. The issue is not around the Academy per se it is that there is no longer reserve team football to introduce the youngsters to men's football at a good level. This is what is stopping development and identifying those who are able to make the step up to first team football 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 I notice that Steve Halam and Lee Briscoe are being touted by some as Premier League standard players. God help us! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Huddersfield scrapped their academy about two or three years ago. They've not done too well since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 47 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: Ny Owl in another thread makes the salutory comment that the SWFC Academy has failed to produce a top tier player in 40 years. Stunning but true. We had a good period under Big Jack and Sgt Wilko when three Premier League standard players came through: Mel Sterland Perter Shirtliffe Mark Smith At that time we also had some good support players who emerged and helped us to get to the top tier: Grant, Taylor, Pearson and Oliver. But since then it has been an appalling drought. Particularly with Covid 19 now is time imo to reward this failure by scrapping the Academy. Four years ago Brentford scapped their Age 8 top Age 20 Academy and introduced an "Elite Development Squad" for players 20-23 in age. They then scouted youngsters around Europe to fill the Elite Squad and contuinue to do so. Time for SWFC to take this decisive action. Huddersfield did the same without any where near the success Brentford have had. A club of our stature should have its own academy and successful player pathway to the first team. To just scrap it would be huge step backwards for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 50 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: Ny Owl in another thread makes the salutory comment that the SWFC Academy has failed to produce a top tier player in 40 years. Stunning but true. We had a good period under Big Jack and Sgt Wilko when three Premier League standard players came through: Mel Sterland Perter Shirtliffe Mark Smith At that time we also had some good support players who emerged and helped us to get to the top tier: Grant, Taylor, Pearson and Oliver. But since then it has been an appalling drought. Particularly with Covid 19 now is time imo to reward this failure by scrapping the Academy. Four years ago Brentford scapped their Age 8 top Age 20 Academy and introduced an "Elite Development Squad" for players 20-23 in age. They then scouted youngsters around Europe to fill the Elite Squad and contuinue to do so. Time for SWFC to take this decisive action. What team does young George Hirst and Jamie Vardy play for again. Within one hour of Sheffield there is 12 million people the failing on the youth team is down to the succession of chairman under investing it in, instead trying for the quick fix or bring in other team casts off and of course the Wednesday way why employ qualified recognised coaches when we can bring in ex players who know as much about coaching as selling house. No what the youth system needs is investment - something that can be a much as you want as is exempt for the P&S calculation, we need proper qualified coaches and we need to start looking for kids to play for us from the Sheffield area, not Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle or Birmingham. Until we tap into the local market we will continue to produce little to nothing for the first team. its not as if there is another football team just 5 or 6 miles away that for the last 10-15 years has made £50-60m on sales of young local talent. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beauchief Owl said: Huddersfield scrapped their academy about two or three years ago. They've not done too well since. Beat me too it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just as our academy starts to produce players who look like the step up to Championship football might not be beyond them wouldn't be the moment to scrap it, in my opinion. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 We’re just starting to bring some talent through and now you wanna shut it down? Well aren’t you fookín genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: It is very important to learn from those who do things well. If the UK govenernment had been interested and learned from the handling of Covid 19 in South Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, Germany, etc we might well have had 20,000 deaths fewer here. What is the pronble of learning from Brentford? On crowds of little more than 9000 over many years they have last year reached the Championship Play Off final, have a really good squad, very healthy bank balance and do not have to labour under a points deduction. Scrapping their Academy and setting up the Elite Developoment Squad was in my view a great move. Not going to turn this thread political but they have learned from those countries. They scrapped PHE and their ridiculous ways of counting deaths and now we more in line with how those countries have been doing it. So it's true. If we learn how others are making better of things we should emulate that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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