WhiteOwl91 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) For context, Brentford have been in the Championship playoffs twice, the same amount of times as us. Not suggesting we're run better, because I dont believe that one bit, but lets stop holding them up as some sort of pinnacle of football evolution. Using their (albeit very financially rewarding methods) they've also achieved absolutely nothing. Edited September 24, 2020 by WhiteOwl91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, Bulldog said: That fascination with Brentford again. A team that's spent the last 12 years in the championship (after promotion from league one) yes, a fine example to follow. For a club Brentfords size that is a noteworthy achievement. Also came within 90 mins of being a Premier League Club a few months ago. Probably equivalent for Wednesday would be get promoted and qualify for Europe within next 4-5 years. But I shake my head at the thoughts of scrapping the academy. I agree with reforming it but getting rid of it all together!?!? We have a duty to try and find local talent. Club already has less and less to do with local people as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, The_Limit_Owl said: Let it go! The question is related to the value of having an academy. Hirst being sold would have helped finance the academy and provided more justification for continuing with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheEnchanter Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, WhiteOwl91 said: For context, Brentford have been in the Championship playoffs twice, the same amount of times as us. Not suggesting we're run better, because I dont believe that one bit, but lets stop holding them up as some sort of pinnacle of football evolution. Using their (albeit very financially rewarding methods) they've also achieved absolutely nothing. Disagree hugely with this. They are traditionally a club that belongs 1-2 divisions below this league. They've levelled up their club on and pff the pitch dramatically aided by a remarkable transfer strategy. They've been able to cement themselves as a Premiership ready club with a new stadium to boot with an admirable self sufficiency from their recruitment model. If we scaled Sheffield Wednesday up to the same successes as Brentford then we'd be on par with a Wolves or Leicester. I'm not saying we should be them or that everything we are doing is wrong because we aren't doing what Brentford are but to dismiss the way they've levelled up as a club just because they haven't made the Prem yet would be pretty narrow minded. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von shabba Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 59 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: Ny Owl in another thread makes the salutory comment that the SWFC Academy has failed to produce a top tier player in 40 years. Stunning but true. We had a good period under Big Jack and Sgt Wilko when three Premier League standard players came through: Mel Sterland Perter Shirtliffe Mark Smith At that time we also had some good support players who emerged and helped us to get to the top tier: Grant, Taylor, Pearson and Oliver. But since then it has been an appalling drought. Particularly with Covid 19 now is time imo to reward this failure by scrapping the Academy. Four years ago Brentford scapped their Age 8 top Age 20 Academy and introduced an "Elite Development Squad" for players 20-23 in age. They then scouted youngsters around Europe to fill the Elite Squad and contuinue to do so. Time for SWFC to take this decisive action. really. Step backward for me. Some good youngsters coming through at the moment also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny owl Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Something has to change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Beauchief Owl said: We could have course got good money for George Hirst had DC decided to sell. Then DC would have been crucified for selling the family silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, ny owl said: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Something has to change. I Thought it was Sheffield united Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, ny owl said: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Something has to change. Indeed its just a good job we have learnt from the disaster of Jordan Rhodes no more bring in players on £40-50,000 a year with big fees involved...………. Oh wait a minute I may have heard in the press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 very strange time to start this thread when at least 8 academy products have appeared in the first team in the first 6 games of the season Also rate them or not but all the below played Premier league football either for us or someone else after coming through our youth system as well as the previous mentioned Kevin Pressman Graham Hyde John Newsome David Wetheral Ryan Jones Steve Haslam Del Geary Leigh Bromby Alan Quinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Why would anyone would expect the academy to be well run, when the rest of the club has been such a shambles for so long ? The club needs overhauling from top to bottom. Commercially, financially, and structurally. Only then will things like the academy start to bear fruit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Just as our academy starts to produce players who look like the step up to Championship football might not be beyond them wouldn't be the moment to scrap it, in my opinion. 29 minutes ago, wilyfox said: We’re just starting to bring some talent through and now you wanna shut it down? Well aren’t you fookín genius. Our good cop / bad cop routine is still working well, @wilyfox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: Why would anyone would expect the academy to be well run, when the rest of the club has been such a shambles for so long ? The club needs overhauling from top to bottom. Commercially, financially, and structurally. Only then will things like the academy start to bear fruit. Didn’t Leeds bring through Cook, Byram, Taylor, Mowatt and Kelvin Phillips whilst they had GFH and mad man Cellino in charge, the later wanting to shut down the academy? Not everything that we do wrong is down to Chansiri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, PARKOWL said: very strange time to start this thread when at least 8 academy products have appeared in the first team in the first 6 games of the season Also rate them or not but all the below played Premier league football either for us or someone else after coming through our youth system as well as the previous mentioned Kevin Pressman Graham Hyde John Newsome David Wetheral Ryan Jones Steve Haslam Del Geary Leigh Bromby Alan Quinn Bet Sky are champing at the bit to do a documentary of these academy "Hall of shame" inductees.... Sky Sports present "Wednesday Detention class... 1988 - 2020".. Edited September 24, 2020 by OWLERTON GHOST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Our good cop / bad cop routine is still working well, @wilyfox! You mean good cop/thunderćunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 User ‘Owls Loyal’ says scrap the academy. Just me that laughed at this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: Bet Sky are champing at the bit to do a documentary of these academy "Hall of shame" inductees.... Sky Sports present "Wednesday Detention class... 1988 - 2020".. like I said rate them or not that isnt really the issue is it But obviously somebody did rate them for them to have played, also the majority would have got in our team over the last couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: Didn’t Leeds bring through Cook, Byram, Taylor, Mowatt and Kelvin Phillips whilst they had GFH and mad man Cellino in charge, the later wanting to shut down the academy? Not everything that we do wrong is down to Chansiri. We've been poorly run way before DC. DC has just wasted more money than all the others combined. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The problem we have in our area are that both Sheffield United and Leeds United have academies that have a strong history of producing players who go on to bigger and better things. Until we can match that (probably we never will) then our academy doesn’t serve us well in its current guise. Not sure what the answer is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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