dorian gray Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 minute ago, We'llNeverBeMastered said: Not seen any malice towards him. Seen plenty thanking him for his efforts but rightly stating it's time to move on. malice may not be intended, but individual opinions can be interpreted in a different manner than they were set out to be. not sure who'll be in for buying us in our present state should he take their 'advice'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 16 hours ago, Lump On said: I have heard a lot of Chansiri bashing and also read a lot given the recent news but lets not forget that the gamble he made in his big spending almost came off when we lost in the playoff final, if we had won that game all this would not exsist. We rolled the dice for the first time in almost 15 years and now we are paying the price but it could have all been different. for me personally I still can't get over not beating Huddersfield the following season, we would have easily beaten Reading at Wembly as they where a very poor team fortunate to find themselves in that position. So blame Chansiri all you want and of course he should be held accountable but if that 90 mins @ Wembley had gone differently the gamble pays off and its happily ever after. All this^ is so true. There was not one dissenting voice on here, or any where else, when these contracts were given out, or when FF threw his dummy out when Fletcher was signed. The doom sayers have only come out in the last 2 seasons. This club has been mismanaged for the last30 years, since Mr McGee handed the club over to Mr Richards until now, not just the last 4 years. What ever happens, and the club is still innocent till proven guilty, there will be a club for us to support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Farrell said: Most of the criticism just seems to be asking him to get help, a proper plan, and ditch the short term sticking plaster odd deals. Most don't seem to want him to move on. I personally, I'd much rather he sort his own mess out. If he did, we'd have a great Chairman. we need to stick by the bloke and give him our support, he'll have all hell on his hands, he doesn't need us firing at him too. he was (perhaps) naïve. he was (perhaps) non too wisely advised and counselled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: All this^ is so true. There was not one dissenting voice on here, or any where else, when these contracts were given out, or when FF threw his dummy out when Fletcher was signed. The doom sayers have only come out in the last 2 seasons. This club has been mismanaged for the last30 years, since Mr McGee handed the club over to Mr Richards until now, not just the last 4 years. What ever happens, and the club is still innocent till proven guilty, there will be a club for us to support Yes there was.... FF took some hammer for his no show at Norwich Folk questioned 10 mill for Rhodes.. Don't rewrite history mate 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 minute ago, asteener1867 said: Yes there was.... FF took some hammer for his no show at Norwich Folk questioned 10 mill for Rhodes.. Don't rewrite history mate How many fans would have sanctioned FF being sold?. How many Fans did not want Rhodes?. History is not being rewritten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, We'llNeverBeMastered said: Not seen any malice towards him. Seen plenty thanking him for his efforts but rightly stating it's time to move on. What,ever ? Short memories some folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, dorian gray said: he was (perhaps) naïve. he was (perhaps) non too wisely advised and counselled. Perhaps I'm annoying on here. No perhaps about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We'llNeverBeMastered Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: What,ever ? Short memories some folk Perhaps. But not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: How many fans would have sanctioned FF being sold?. How many Fans did not want Rhodes?. History is not being rewritten. There were fans who didn't think Rhodes worth it Fans who wanted FF sacked cos he disrespected the club Its not a question of "How many" You said "Not ONE dissenting voice" Thats totally untrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamakua Pueo Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 There seems to be an assumption from many posters that Mr. Chansiri has the money to carry forward from here, having learned his lessons. This season is clearly now a lost cause. Our zombie team of 2015-2016 holdovers will finally, mercifully, be dismantled at the end of the year thru the expiration of contracts. But does Mr. Chansiri really have the money to re-assemble a side on the terms of the normal, moderate, over-spend (10 millionish per year), instead of his profligate over-spend in his early years here? The dodgy way he tried to sell & buy the stadium with a post-dated transaction with future debt rather than hard cash suggests the possibility that even when we clear our current penalties and embargoes, we may be back in the place where we were under Mandaric--one-out for one-in, loans and bargain-bin signings, but with an accumulated load of debt that will make the club hard to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, rickygoo said: So he fizzes up but because he fizzes up so badly we daren’t criticise him? Thats not what I am saying . Of course criticise but being over the top and hound him out will be bad for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hamakua Pueo said: There seems to be an assumption from many posters that Mr. Chansiri has the money to carry forward from here, having learned his lessons. This season is clearly now a lost cause. Our zombie team of 2015-2016 holdovers will finally, mercifully, be dismantled at the end of the year thru the expiration of contracts. But does Mr. Chansiri really have the money to re-assemble a side on the terms of the normal, moderate, over-spend (10 millionish per year), instead of his profligate over-spend in his early years here? The dodgy way he tried to sell & buy the stadium with a post-dated transaction with future debt rather than hard cash suggests the possibility that even when we clear our current penalties and embargoes, we may be back in the place where we were under Mandaric--one-out for one-in, loans and bargain-bin signings, but with an accumulated load of debt that will make the club hard to sell. That's a scenario that doesn't bear thinking about. There has always been a fear his pot has been virtually empty for a couple of seasons, and his family cut him off some time ago. Would just be our luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: That's a scenario that doesn't bear thinking about. There has always been a fear his pot has been virtually empty for a couple of seasons, and his family cut him off some time ago. Would just be our luck. A t least DC would have a massive house....can you grow Veg on Desso? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I dont accept the argument if we beat Hull at Wembley everything would be hunky dorey now. That was 3.1/2 years ago and think same mistakes are likely to have been made except we would have had more money to wee wee tail it up with. Would have been more vultures circling with the Chairmen known to be a soft touch and easily led. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Snowyowl61 said: If you don't wish to pay the prices, inflated or not, then don't. WAWAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 37 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: A t least DC would have a massive house....can you grow Veg on Desso? There has been a few playing on it so I would assume so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, adelphi1867 said: How many fans would have sanctioned FF being sold?. How many Fans did not want Rhodes?. History is not being rewritten. Correct, it's same every transfer window, lack of signings and fans are moaning that club is showing no ambition, soon as we get into money trouble and fans are moaning about us overspending, this is just not recently, I'm talking 20 years or/and more. Personally I'd rather see us having a first class academy bringing youngsters through bringing us success in years to come but this is no good to a lot of fans because it's now that matters they want immediate success, if not players are crap, managers crap, it's all doom and gloom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 hours ago, DJMortimer said: @asteener1867 has been in imperious form these last couple of days. A succession of tremendous posts that do away with the misty-eyed romanticism and blind loyalty and just sticks to the brutal reality and it's potential implications. Chansiri deserves credit for his efforts, and no doubt he would have happily accepted the plaudits if we'd been promoted. By the same token, he has to accept the criticism of his mistakes and the culpability for putting us now in a position of severe threat. A fool and his money are easily parted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gableratchet Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: That's a scenario that doesn't bear thinking about. There has always been a fear his pot has been virtually empty for a couple of seasons, and his family cut him off some time ago. Would just be our luck. No, it would just be our luck for the EFL to postpone any punishment till the very end of the season and for us to grab an automatic promotion place then be hit with a points deduction which would move us down to seventh place in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, gableratchet said: No, it would just be our luck for the EFL to postpone any punishment till the very end of the season and for us to grab an automatic promotion place then be hit with a points deduction which would move us down to seventh place in the division. That would be horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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