Costello 77 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, DuttyTeabags said: There are some cities now in China completely cashless, mobile wallet, Wechat, Alipay etc. Some reight toothless old Chinese grannies managing it am sure a few Wednesday old timers can ;) Another country that likes to keep a beady eye on their population. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, dorian gray said: WHICH MAGAZINE. No idea 1 minute ago, Costello 77 said: I do electronic repairs as a sideline. I also build small machines. I won't go into how.. for obvious reasons.. but I've seen a schematic for a "reader" that any enthusiastic hobbyist could make. Last week I cracked my main card and the contactless feature wouldn't work.. when I got my new one.. I dismantled the old one and had a look....the schematic would work with what I saw there. Dont doubt that. Surely only half the job though if you want to nick money via contactless i.e act as the retailer rather than clone/skim in order to act as a consumer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sonny said: No idea Dont doubt that. Surely only half the job though if you want to nick money via contactless i.e act as the retailer rather than clone/skim in order to act as a consumer? The security protocols are vastly different...if I understand you correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 2 hours ago, dorian gray said: I heard last week of (let's call them fellow europeans) with mobile cashless card readers on them 'working' heavily crowded area's, buses, trams, london underground, big city shopping area's, the likes of meadowhall etc. taking just £10 or £20 off everyone they could 'contact', can you imagine how much they could end up with by the end of the day? How come the British criminals haven't got this technology? This country is going down the pan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: The security protocols are vastly different...if I understand you correctly? I think I've been whooshed.. FFS Costello.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal M Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 To help the OP out. From the Bank of England: What does legal tender mean? You might have heard someone in a shop say: “But it’s legal tender!”. Most people think it means the shop has to accept the payment form. But that’s not the case. A shop owner can choose what payment they accept. If you want to pay for a pack of gum with a £50 note, it’s perfectly legal to turn you down. Likewise for all other banknotes, it’s a matter of discretion. Legal tender has a narrow technical meaning which has no use in everyday life. It means that if you offer to fully pay off a debt to someone in legal tender, they can’t sue you for failing to repay. 1 I move a lot of concrete on the QVC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 3 hours ago, jonesy87shef said: Track is the wrong word I used. It’s more down to I know what I’ve spent when I’m out. Say I take out £100 I know what I have and haven’t spent and am prepared to spend. Pay on card and I might go well over that amount without realising. So to say maybe I feel more in control of what I’m spending when it’s cash. I also don’t like checking my online banking because it’s jusy depressing. Does that make sense Yeah. You’re saying it’s easier to be disciplined with your spending. I guess we can rule out you being DC then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 I wish we had contactless football at Hillsbro, then maybe our players would get through a game without getting injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: It must make financial sense in a costs/benefits analysis..... No mistakes on the tills, no thieving, quicker, security guards etc etc plus there is all the info re. buying patterns etc which is gold dust to anyone selling BUT.... Any fraud, and there's a lot, is between the customer and the bank and is "worth" the above as a retailer. Can't we just go back to bartering. Would be much easier all round. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Can't we just go back to bartering. Would be much easier all round. "Money" is a receipt for barter. It has no value without the signature of the guarantor. That's why I've got a kettle and an air fryer made of solid gold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomaco Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: Another country that likes to keep a beady eye on their population. it's a trap 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Just now, jomaco said: it's a trap You can fool them by being capricious and staying slippery jomaco....so I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: "Money" is a receipt for barter. It has no value without the signature of the guarantor. That's why I've got a kettle and an air fryer made of solid gold. I have a neighbour who keeps chickens . Maybe i can steal a couple on a matchday ,and exchange them for a Bovril and a Horse Pie ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkfieldowl14 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Mycroft said: I'm nonplussed to steam coming out of my ears, can you believe they don't accept cheques anymore either? I'm looking for food outlets in Hillsborough where they accept cheques. Good luck to you if can find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkfieldowl14 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Just now, S36 OWL said: I have a neighbour who keeps chickens . Maybe i can steal a couple on a matchday ,and exchange them for a Bovril and a Horse Pie ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: I think I've been whooshed.. FFS Costello.. Not at all - unless it’s me who has been whooshed?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, roaminowl said: How come the British criminals haven't got this technology? This country is going down the pan. those europeans don't get our benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sonny said: Not at all - unless it’s me who has been whooshed?!?!?! To clarify...are you saying that scammers should target the retailer rather than the consumer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 50 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: It must make financial sense in a costs/benefits analysis..... No mistakes on the tills, no thieving, quicker, security guards etc etc plus there is all the info re. buying patterns etc which is gold dust to anyone selling BUT.... Any fraud, and there's a lot, is between the customer and the bank and is "worth" the above as a retailer. so any feedback relating to such robbery's from individuals are suppressed so as not to rock the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 41 minutes ago, roaminowl said: How come the British criminals haven't got this technology? This country is going down the pan. it's one of may's red lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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