FreshOwl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 20 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: Our fans are a disgrace at times. Yes it was time for him to go, but the hatred towards him is not fair. He didn’t come here and deliberately try to lose games. You saw last week after the Swansea match that he was trying and he cared. He thought playing the likes of Dawson ahead of Westwood was a good decision for the long term health of the club. I agree with him. Westwood will be gone in the summer and Dawson needs experience. He had the clubs interests at heart. It proved to be a risky decision and his biggest mistake was sticking to his guns. Is he the first manager to be stubborn? No, and he won’t be the last. He’s gone and I wish him well. I believe he had a long term vision for the club, but he just couldn’t implement it. Was dealt a tough hand and kept us up last season when things were looking pretty desperate under Carlos. But it went wrong and he had to go. I just won’t understand why people think it’s ok to go on social media and call him every name under the sun. Regardless of his pay package, the bloke has lost his job near Christmas. Never nice. Let’s have some humility. We’re not here to care about his feelings mate, as I’m sure he doesn’t ours He was an awful manager who made some quite frankly ludicrous decisions Regarding the abuse it’s the nature of the beast and the same at any other club. Not justifying it but if he had any sense he wouldn’t read any of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 hours ago, shandypants said: Have you ever been on the other side of the decision? It’s not great. I lost my job once when an entire IT department was outsourced to India - I can assure you that I didn’t skip all the way home. And before you accuse me of being poo or a thief, our department was outsourced because the company I worked for were not getting sales and the company accountant was pushing for cost savings - the sales team weren’t performing but we suffered as a consequence. By the way, your statement makes you sound like an arrogant idiot. Statements like yours enrage me. I have sympathy for average bloke on street losing his job. People who might have a few sleepless nights worrying about the mortgage and looking after they kids. Jos Luckaky wont have these worries and probably sat as we speak with a large drink next to a swimming pool in Dubai. Dont wish the bloke any harm but dont feel sorry for him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolsterstone Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 He was rubbish. Naive, and tactically incompetent. Dinosaur in relation to attitudes to good pros. Good riddance. Worst manager since Burtenshaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Marine13 said: Although i definitely wanted JL out of wednesday i think its a sad picture seeing him sat on his own at sheffield train station ..for all his efforts you'd have thought the club would drive him to where he needed to be, being a foreigner in a different country , just my thoughts. He's not a vulnerable teen - he's a wealthy man sitting having a coffee before he boards his first class carriage taking him home for Christmas where he doesn't need to ever work again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 6 hours ago, shandypants said: Have you ever been on the other side of the decision? It’s not great. I lost my job once when an entire IT department was outsourced to India - I can assure you that I didn’t skip all the way home. And before you accuse me of being poo or a thief, our department was outsourced because the company I worked for were not getting sales and the company accountant was pushing for cost savings - the sales team weren’t performing but we suffered as a consequence. By the way, your statement makes you sound like an arrogant idiot. Statements like yours enrage me. Capitalist scum only worried about lining their pockets further on the back of cheaper, underpaid labour outsourced even farther away. No idea of social construct or community. Just eat, eat, eat to your heart's content. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Kew Owl said: The ones that I've met ( thankfully not too many ) aren't desperately clever either - seems that they were at the end of the queue when brains and common sense were dished out. I wont devolve to a low grade weeing match, but just ask yourself how you managed to attain such a privileged, comfortable worldview like that. And if you really aren't well-off, you're just an irrelevant cog in a total charade. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Socialist_Owl said: Capitalist scum only worried about lining their pockets further on the back of cheaper, underpaid labour outsourced even farther away. No idea of social construct or community. Just eat, eat, eat to your heart's content. Ridiculous crap. The people making decisions were may be doing just what was necessary to try and secure the company‘s future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Bulgaria said: No need to get personal. Jos was poo , he got the sack, why would that sadden folk? Ok, you lost your job it wasn't your fault, yeah that's harsh and sad, but that's a completely different situation to Jos. He lost his job because he was poo at it Maybe swfc should have waited until after the festive holidays to sack him just to passify some supporters. And yes, I have been sacked. It was cause I was poo at my job. I don’t really care about Jos and his feelings if I’m honest - it’s likely that he’s comfortable financially, however, it’s typically not nice to lose your job. It’s your “I’ve had to fire a few in my lifetime...” comment that I didn’t like much. As to your claim that I was getting personal, I said that your statement made you sound like an arrogant idiot not that you are one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mus Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, Socialist_Owl said: I wont devolve to a low grade weeing match, but just ask yourself how you managed to attain such a privileged, comfortable worldview like that. And if you really aren't well-off, you're just an irrelevant cog in a total charade. I seldom get into political arguments but have to agree with you. People who don't like socialism don't understand it so therefore it frightens them, that or they have an over inflated view of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightace Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I once got sacked at Xmas. I was a bus conductor and got caught by Blakey having hanky panky on the top deck at the terminus. Oh no, hang on that was on the buses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np pontefract Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mus said: I seldom get into political arguments but have to agree with you. People who don't like socialism don't understand it so therefore it frightens them, that or they have an over inflated view of themselves. I know someone who claims to be a Socialist, who has an over inflated view of himself....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Perhaps predictably, in true Owlstalk style, this thread seems to have gone off track and now seems to have become a "capitalist" versus "socialist" thread. Whichever side on the fence you're on, and I fully accept the point about Jos being financially comfortable, I'm sorry, but you really do need to be a cold - hearted, bitter old bu**er not to feel at least one shred of sympathy for someone - in what is allegedly the season of goodwill - who gets red carded just before Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) I’d usually agree on the sympathy bit, and would normally feel sorry for the bloke. But watching the likes of Westwood and Hutchinson make a big impact yesterday reminded me I’d paid £1600 for a season ticket. Howson reporting tonight that one of the players banished to train with the under 23’s had not been spoken to by Luhukay since pre-season. It’s bonkers. A basic requirement of any manager in any profession is to get the best out of your people. His man management skills were dire. And don’t give me the ‘he gave the kids a chance’ etc; he was only picking them because he fell out with a load of others. Otherwise we would have been turning out with 8 men on the pitch. Edited December 23, 2018 by vulva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np pontefract Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Sorry... I just don't get it. I feel sorry for people struggling to feed themselves and their children. I feel sorry for people who are in danger of being evicted because they don't have the money to pay the rent. I feel sorry for the sick. I harbour no ill will towards Jos Luhukay, and I wish him all the best for the future, but I don't feel sorry for him. He is a wealthy man, going home for Christmas. And For all we know, he may be happy with the way things have worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said: Capitalist scum only worried about lining their pockets further on the back of cheaper, underpaid labour outsourced even farther away. No idea of social construct or community. Just eat, eat, eat to your heart's content. Hi Jeremy. Sorry, just had £20 on the Tories to win the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 hours ago, kobayashi said: Ridiculous crap. The people making decisions were may be doing just what was necessary to try and secure the company‘s future. And ensure continued profits for ownership/shareholders. Spare me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack the Hat Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 First class train to London followed by a first class flight from Heathrow (drones permitting). If you want to feel sorry for someone then spare a thought for Chris Rea. That poor sod has to drive himself home for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 hours ago, shandypants said: I don’t really care about Jos and his feelings if I’m honest - it’s likely that he’s comfortable financially, however, it’s typically not nice to lose your job. It’s your “I’ve had to fire a few in my lifetime...” comment that I didn’t like much. As to your claim that I was getting personal, I said that your statement made you sound like an arrogant idiot not that you are one. I have had to fire a few in my life time for stealing out of my tills ... Why would that upset you? I am totally confused mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 heard Warnock say only last month " if they sack me the worst case scenario is I get a pay off spend Christmas at home and then go on holiday somewhere warm in January "...…...jos i'm sure wont be any different.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob1601 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 This season, he always struck me as not wanting to be here. Can’t blame him for hanging on for the payment. Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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