londonowl Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Rhubarb n Custard said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Union_Group Multi billion dollar organisation. You don't get to that scale without dispensing with ineffective people. What's that got to do with DC? He isn't and never has been involved with TUF other than owning some shares that were gifted to him as part of the family trust. DC's brother is the man at TUF and has followed on from his father. As far as DC goes, his business interests pretty much extend to owning some property that TUF occupy and lease from him (in a deal where his father basically gave him the property and then rented it back off him). Whilst this does nothing to prove that he is not an excellent businessman, the success of TUF and his own gifted wealth are completely irrelevant in proving that he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, londonowl said: What's that got to do with DC? He isn't and never has been involved with TUF other than owning some shares that were gifted to him as part of the family trust. DC's brother is the man at TUF and has followed on from his father. As far as DC goes, his business interests pretty much extend to owning some property that TUF occupy and lease from him (in a deal where his father basically gave him the property and then rented it back off him). Whilst this does nothing to prove that he is not an excellent businessman, the success of TUF and his own gifted wealth are completely irrelevant in proving that he is. So he's a stooge appointed by the family ? Whatever the case I would imagine the family would want to see some form progression towards a return on their investment. Maybe his brother needs to get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finney on the Wing Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rhubarb n Custard said: So if you were in DC's shoes how long would you persevere with Jos ? I can only see us climbing the table, when players start coming back. We're missing creativity up front but have been sloppy at times, which has cost us points. I can't put the poor decisions in those defensive moments down to Jos, like others have. The only way he'll lose his job is if we do drift into the bottom three while the top players are returning. I've not got a clue as to what DC is thinking really. I'd like to see him see how we perform up to the New Year before making a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack the Hat Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rhubarb n Custard said: So he's a stooge appointed by the family ? Whatever the case I would imagine the family would want to see some form progression towards a return on their investment. Maybe his brother needs to get involved. I find all this kind of stuff , quite frankly, disgusting. OK things aren't panning out at the moment and he has made lots of mistakes, but he has spent a lot of money.calling him a stooge and questioning the business acumen of a billionaire who we know little about is unacceptable. It's embarrassing and if I was reading tripe like this I'd pull all the money and then we would have something to moan about. People on here have short memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacock1961 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jack the Hat said: I find all this kind of stuff , quite frankly, disgusting. OK things aren't panning out at the moment and he has made lots of mistakes, but he has spent a lot of money.calling him a stooge and questioning the business acumen of a billionaire who we know little about is unacceptable. It's embarrassing and if I was reading tripe like this I'd pull all the money and then we would have something to moan about. People on here have short memories. Sorry, but you don't get it. He is not a proven business man, but his dad is. This is his toy, a rather big lego set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhubarb n Custard Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 47 minutes ago, Jack the Hat said: I find all this kind of stuff , quite frankly, disgusting. OK things aren't panning out at the moment and he has made lots of mistakes, but he has spent a lot of money.calling him a stooge and questioning the business acumen of a billionaire who we know little about is unacceptable. It's embarrassing and if I was reading tripe like this I'd pull all the money and then we would have something to moan about. People on here have short memories. I'm not calling him a stooge, I'm trying to qualify what londonowl thinks he is if he's not a businessman or the real owner of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 20:31, Finney on the Wing said: Try replacing the 'good fortune' with bad defending or poor finishing - we could easily have been 7-11 points better off out of the four defeat run we had. Agree with your last five lines though. We all know about jos the rotator and tinkerman mk2, but some of the things that havnt gone our way, (lack of good fortune) as you say, could have been different by smarter substitutions by Jos, not acting quicker or changing things at the right time. Also by better game management by the players, we do seem nieve and too overly sporting at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 18:39, Rhubarb n Custard said: I just don't get it. In any other aspect of his business I'm sure DC's employees are accountable and expendable should they underperform. Your mistake here is assuming that DC is judging their performance against your expectations rather than his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 19:49, RichSheffWeds said: I presume you thought we should get rid 5 games ago when we were in top 6? I did. After most games he's been manager, I would have let out a huge sigh of relief if he'd gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, Ian said: Your mistake here is assuming that DC is judging their performance against your expectations rather than his own I got the impression that his expectations involved the chance of promotion. Is it going to be a case of wait until it's mathematically impossible to achieve that and then act ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys_12th_Pint Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Jos has been told he can keep doing the job until his D Taxi arrives. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 At worst he's got until Dec 8th after a home defeat to Rovrum. At best he retires after our second consecutive Champions League victory after 10 years in charge. So It's between 2 or about 400. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 21:09, Jack the Hat said: I find all this kind of stuff , quite frankly, disgusting. OK things aren't panning out at the moment and he has made lots of mistakes, but he has spent a lot of money.calling him a stooge and questioning the business acumen of a billionaire who we know little about is unacceptable. It's embarrassing and if I was reading tripe like this I'd pull all the money and then we would have something to moan about. People on here have short memories. You know Donald trump I presume bud, successful businessman and now the Americans president. Well as the story goes his wealthy mummy & Daddy gave him a load of cash to set up his own businesses.. Which due to his ineptitude, arrogance and stubborness he made a complete mess of and ended up bankrupt. So they then re set him up in business again, only this time left him as the public figure while other people that knew what they were doing were hired in to run things and therefore he became (turned into) a successful businessman. My point is, I'm seeing similarlies between him and Dc,I'm waiting for hopefully the real business brains to take the fore and clean up/organise his mess in the not too distant future allowing us to push on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 games no win in next 3 and they'll be no excuse to keep him I can take defeats (I support Wednesday) but surrendering like we did against Norwich and Qpr is unforgivable. we are capable of causing teams pressure ,we did it against villa not long ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 20:49, RichSheffWeds said: I presume you thought we should get rid 5 games ago when we were in top 6? Tag nobody did. But these last five games have changed most people’s mind, including mine. It’s not just the poor results. It’s the tactics the selections the subs everything. I think he’s lost the plot. I hope he can turn it round but I don’t think he will. How long do you keep going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Too many....really hoped we would have learned from the CC debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 19:09, Rhubarb n Custard said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Union_Group Multi billion dollar organisation. You don't get to that scale without dispensing with ineffective people. Well he obviously thinks by your reckoning that he is effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 14 November 2018 at 18:39, Rhubarb n Custard said: I just don't get it. In any other aspect of his business I'm sure DC's employees are accountable and expendable should they underperform. I'd actually like to see to see DC's credentials, I personally think he's a little rich boy through cash given to him that saw us as way of trying to prove his business acumen to his family by investing their money, not worked out for him though because he's clueless . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Wednesday fans pretending they have an impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinky Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) On 14/11/2018 at 18:25, Rhubarb n Custard said: ...has Jos got to turn this shizzle round ? Its all well and good us speculating on a new gaffer but unless DC has a radical rethink of his hiring/firing policy it could well be too by the time he acts. Alarming times. Hopefully none and is gone before next match. Can’t see it though with our useless chairman in control. likely to be here till around Xmas, then get rid when far too late. Groundhog Day anyone?! Edited November 16, 2018 by Pinky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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