Ronio Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 If and when we do ever decide to make a change, I really hope DC moves away from the model of employing head coaches to manage the team whilst outsourcing other areas like signing players. We need to go back to the old model of hiring proper football managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Looks like we're back to DJ Mortimer telling us we have to keep Jos because we can't afford to sack him Or he isn't. Or summat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES6owl Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 It would be nice just to see if Abdi really is the professor..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hillsborough Mole said: Looks like we're back to DJ Mortimer telling us we have to keep Jos because we can't afford to sack him Or he isn't. Or summat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Ronio said: If and when we do ever decide to make a change, I really hope DC moves away from the model of employing head coaches to manage the team whilst outsourcing other areas like signing players. We need to go back to the old model of hiring proper football managers. That is what I have been saying since Chansiri arrived. The "experts" were saying that the club was doing right by following models set by Southampton, Swansea etc., and using transfer panels. Three years down the road after wasting millions on players that it was sometimes clear that the manager or head coach didn't or doesn't want to play, I still haven't changed my mind. I wonder if the "experts" have changed their mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr Farrell said: I'm of the opinion that problems at clubs tend generally to run deeper than the manager. Ours definitely do . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 11:00, Blue and white said: If only we had a chairman who knew what he was doing. If only we had appointed this lad instead of clueless, we would have been playing premiership football a couple of years ago. "Paixao also informed the Thai investor that he and his boss Nelio Lucas still considered Petrescu or Slavisa Jokanovic (n.red. – the Serb incredibly left Watford only three days earlier after he got the club promoted to the Premier League) to be the perfect match for Sheffield’s ambitions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 14/11/2018 at 09:25, S36 OWL said: Manages two championship clubs , got both promoted. I'd go and drive him to sheffield myself today. I aint got a license but i'd get someone to pick him up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognacbarnowl Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 20 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Didn't Hooper just have surgery? I'm sure Luhukay would love to be able to select such a striker, but unfortunately that doesn't look like happening any time soon. I'm sure Jos said in one if his pressers that," Hooper may be back to help us near the end of the season." When I heard that I immediately thought , around March or April Then. I don't think there's much chance of seeing him before then , IMO. FFP FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 17/11/2018 at 08:54, Pinky said: By March with this manager we will be bottom of the table, So sorry about where Watford were. Point still stands with Fulham and the two promotions out of two with championship clubs. Also check his record abroad. On the whole a hugely successful manager. We need to show ambition and fast. Or we will be relegated and FFP will be irrelevant as we go bust again. We did show ambition. Spent our money, failed. Now we have to start again. We had our chances, two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 He would certainly have us playing more entertaining football, that’s for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarn owl Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Good manager, proven track record. Wrong time though, we need to stick with a plan rather than abandoning the re build at the 1st sign of trouble. Stick with Jos and bring through the youth and remove the deadwood and big contracts. Jokanovic would have been perfect when chansiri 1st arrived. Not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, tarn owl said: Good manager, proven track record. Wrong time though, we need to stick with a plan rather than abandoning the re build at the 1st sign of trouble. Stick with Jos and bring through the youth and remove the deadwood and big contracts. Jokanovic would have been perfect when chansiri 1st arrived. Not now. We stick with Jos much longer and we will be the biggest team in the league next season unfortunately that will be league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, tarn owl said: Good manager, proven track record. Wrong time though, we need to stick with a plan rather than abandoning the re build at the 1st sign of trouble. Stick with Jos and bring through the youth and remove the deadwood and big contracts. Jokanovic would have been perfect when chansiri 1st arrived. Not now. Big problem with this, admirable that it is, bringing the youngsters through, if you don’t have a coach who can blend them in with our better players, you’re going to struggle. Looking at what we have, only two or three are ready for first team football, which is about the best you can hope for at this level. We aren’t going to suddenly produce a squad of ex academy players, it just doesn’t happen. So it’s how we blend a team that can compete, from the players we have. Can Jos do that? I’m not sure he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 You said he had a raft of youngstes to utilise the other day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Big problem with this, admirable that it is, bringing the youngsters through, if you don’t have a coach who can blend them in with our better players, you’re going to struggle. Looking at what we have, only two or three are ready for first team football, which is about the best you can hope for at this level. We aren’t going to suddenly produce a squad of ex academy players, it just doesn’t happen. So it’s how we blend a team that can compete, from the players we have. Can Jos do that? I’m not sure he can. On 16/11/2018 at 18:57, gurujuan said: Not sure about that, Bannan, Reach and Forestieri are anything but average. Westwood, Lees, Hector, Hutchinson, Matias, Joao and Fletcher are also all good at this level Add in a raft of promising youngsters, and we really shouldn’t be struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Sonny said: You said he had a raft of youngstes to utilise the other day I’m quite happy for him to introduce some of the youngsters into the squad, gradually though. The three that are getting games now, appear to be the only ones who are ready. Putting another one, who’s shown promise for the development squad, on the bench, can be away forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Let us hope that conversations are taking place behiond the scenes with the likes of Jokanovic and McCarthy, etc. The hapless Luhukay regime has the smell of death about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarn owl Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Big problem with this, admirable that it is, bringing the youngsters through, if you don’t have a coach who can blend them in with our better players, you’re going to struggle. Looking at what we have, only two or three are ready for first team football, which is about the best you can hope for at this level. We aren’t going to suddenly produce a squad of ex academy players, it just doesn’t happen. So it’s how we blend a team that can compete, from the players we have. Can Jos do that? I’m not sure he can. He has 3 youngsters, 1 a keeper so he tells the older one he can leave, that's pretty good blending because he played Dawson in the cup last year to check he was ready. And he is. Yes Westwood is great and was great, but good teams move on older players to bring through youth. Thorniley, Loovens leaves, Thorniley plays, he brings in Hector for experience for options which will help Thorniley. Penney has just outplayed every left back at the club, no blending needed. He still has a spine of a team in Lees, Bannan and Fletcher. I think he has done well at blending youth and experience. It is not Jos's fault that westwood couldn't find a move, that the club was under embargo, that Hooper and Lee are never fit, that we wasted millions on rhodes, van aken and Abdi and they were bad when he arrived and are still bad. That Jones and Boyd were signed, again terrible contracts and deals. I think Jos got some stuff wrong, i think we were tactically set up wrong for Norwich and QPR, I think he needs to find a better home for Reach in the team to allow his development. Apart from that i think he has done well. I know we aren't at the top of the league but we can't expect that with embargos and the complete mess that Jos took over in January. We will go on losing runs again, do we sack a manager everytime? Derby and Bolton at home. Lets see what happens. With 2 weeks he might have just got something going. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swfctc1 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, tarn owl said: He has 3 youngsters, 1 a keeper so he tells the older one he can leave, that's pretty good blending because he played Dawson in the cup last year to check he was ready. And he is. Yes Westwood is great and was great, but good teams move on older players to bring through youth. Thorniley, Loovens leaves, Thorniley plays, he brings in Hector for experience for options which will help Thorniley. Penney has just outplayed every left back at the club, no blending needed. He still has a spine of a team in Lees, Bannan and Fletcher. I think he has done well at blending youth and experience. It is not Jos's fault that westwood couldn't find a move, that the club was under embargo, that Hooper and Lee are never fit, that we wasted millions on rhodes, van aken and Abdi and they were bad when he arrived and are still bad. That Jones and Boyd were signed, again terrible contracts and deals. I think Jos got some stuff wrong, i think we were tactically set up wrong for Norwich and QPR, I think he needs to find a better home for Reach in the team to allow his development. Apart from that i think he has done well. I know we aren't at the top of the league but we can't expect that with embargos and the complete mess that Jos took over in January. We will go on losing runs again, do we sack a manager everytime? Derby and Bolton at home. Lets see what happens. With 2 weeks he might have just got something going. Penny is definitely the best left back at the club by far ,but what does Jos do !!! Play him in every position apart from LB , when Penny first came into the team at LB he’s was very good , got shifted all over and his displays fell away a tad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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