Semedo's ferret Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 2 hours ago, mrbluesky said: I’ve heard he’s going ‘Dutch’ Snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Bloody international breaks. I’m bored shiteyless. Can’t even see any obvious bets from the crap games that are actually taking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semedo's ferret Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, the third man said: We gamble on rubbish but wont take a gamble on a young player who could be a very good player. As I said it is a gamble, and could turn out to be a waste of money, but no bigger waste the the ones quoted above and others If any senior player went on strike, refused to sign a new improved contract, and wanted 4x more money than others his 'pay grade', you would berate him. You'd want him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 29 minutes ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: I was also there. He came on in the 92nd min. I think your assessment is slightly exaggerated. He got half an hour and was genuinely out of his depth. Which is fine because he was only 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, cowl said: He got half an hour and was genuinely out of his depth. Which is fine because he was only 17. And this is exactly why the loan system is there Go out, prove your worth and build from that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, Semedo's ferret said: If any senior player went on strike, refused to sign a new improved contract, and wanted 4x more money than others his 'pay grade', you would berate him. You'd want him out. "Went on strike", "wanted 4x more money"?? Is there anything else you would like to make up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, happy bunny said: And this is exactly why the loan system is there Go out, prove your worth and build from that " talks with chairman Dejphon Chansiri stalled upon a disagreement about where he might spend this season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Those criticising Carlos for not playing him are not really being appreciative of the reality of modern football. The managers remit is promotion and he, like most of his peers, is going to place his faith in the finished article, as opposed to a young prospect. Furthermore, Carlos has had the fortune of being able to bring in a Hooper, FF, Fletcher, Rhodes etc.,and the vast, vast majority of managers would do the same. It is not defending it per se, but more an indictment of how modern English football works, particularly at the higher levels. You only have to look look at the farce of Chelsea having of 30+ players out on loan because there’s little to no opportunity of them getting in the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Semedo's ferret said: If any senior player went on strike, refused to sign a new improved contract, and wanted 4x more money than others his 'pay grade', you would berate him. You'd want him out. I would have tried to negotiate with him before it got to that stage. I agree his behaviour has not been as it should, but the problem could have been resolved before it got to that stage pay grades depend on ability, what other players do we have with his potential Edited November 11, 2017 by the third man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Semedo's ferret said: If any senior player went on strike, refused to sign a new improved contract, and wanted 4x more money than others his 'pay grade', you would berate him. You'd want him out. Is this an opinion or something you've been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Geoffrey said: " talks with chairman Dejphon Chansiri stalled upon a disagreement about where he might spend this season." Is GH not an employee of the club, I'm pretty sure the club were doing what they thought was best for the lad Who was doing the talking? No player is bigger than the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Geoffrey said: " talks with chairman Dejphon Chansiri stalled upon a disagreement about where he might spend this season." but he is serving a footballing apprenticeship with the club and as such they provide his training which includes where said training is carried out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, Geoffrey said: " talks with chairman Dejphon Chansiri stalled upon a disagreement about where he might spend this season." Quoting something no one has actually said from an article in the Daily Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 18 minutes ago, Geoffrey said: "Went on strike", "wanted 4x more money"?? Is there anything else you would like to make up? You seem quite selective in which ‘well known fans’ you choose to believe. What are the criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Sonny said: You seem quite selective in which ‘well known fans’ you choose to believe. What are the criteria? From what I can tell it's the ones who think it is all the club's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 32 minutes ago, SiJ said: You only have to look look at the farce of Chelsea having of 30+ players out on loan because there’s little to no opportunity of them getting in the first team. Chelsea have made mistakes but they have a model where they are getting loan fees and transfer fees for their players. Our academy has never produced a Premier League footballer. We now have one youngster attracting bids from a Premier League team and are not letting him play or even train with his peers? Which is more farcial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, SiJ said: From what I can tell it's the ones who think it is all the club's fault. A disciple of the gospel according to whoever says what he wants to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 22 minutes ago, Sonny said: You seem quite selective in which ‘well known fans’ you choose to believe. What are the criteria? Read through the posts on here. Many posters have simply made things up that they have no way of backing up. The two other posters are huge Wednesday fans who have left this site on principle. Are you calling them liars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Stoop said: We really don’t know the full story here, but I can only see 2 scenarios 1. He has had his head turned by the riches of the premier league and wants out, but the club won’t be held to ransom 2. He is desperate for a shot at the first team but CC won’t pick him so he won’t sign a contract Either way it’s a real shame that he’s now certain to be off next year Well if he does go to a prem team he got less chance of a start in 1st team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Geoffrey said: Chelsea have made mistakes but they have a model where they are getting loan fees and transfer fees for their players. Our academy has never produced a Premier League footballer. We now have one youngster attracting bids from a Premier League team and are not letting him play or even train with his peers? Which is more farcial? But he's leaving and is leaving for a Premier League club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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