kirksandallowl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Surely a team playing negative football wouldn’t be the team that had the most shots at goal of any team in the 4 English divisions. Which according to sky’s match stats that what we did on Saturday and in many cases more than both teams added together (including the Leeds v pigs game, with many on here saying we should play more like them). I’m not saying i’m happy with the results at the moment but are Carlos’s tactics as negative as many on here are making out or is it a myth being used to beat him with because the results aren’t going our way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axolotl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 "Shots" is far too vague and doesn't tell the full picture. Bannan has about half a dozen a game, but never looks like scoring. However, yesterday, first half especially, we did create good chances - which is a big difference to merely a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonLeon Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Quality not quantity to a degree though. There were a few cases yesterday where passes instead of shots would’ve been more effective, and vice versa. The decision making in the final third, at the minute, is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirksandallowl Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 But are either of those things down to tactics or is it player technique/ability/decision making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 We attacked with purpose yesterday, just the finishing was poor Anyone who thought Hunt's delivery was poor also need to give their head a wobble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Just now, kirksandallowl said: But are either of those things down to tactics or is it player technique/ability/decision making? Its due to fear Therefore you start playing more safely to minimize errors The only one who consistently gambles and takes a chance is Bannan, and yet he gets pelters No wonder the players are playing in fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 We were at home to Barnsley, having a bunch of mostly off target shots against them doesn't make us Barca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, kirksandallowl said: Surely a team playing negative football wouldn’t be the team that had the most shots at goal of any team in the 4 English divisions. Which according to sky’s match stats that what we did on Saturday and in many cases more than both teams added together (including the Leeds v pigs game, with many on here saying we should play more like them). I’m not saying i’m happy with the results at the moment but are Carlos’s tactics as negative as many on here are making out or is it a myth being used to beat him with because the results aren’t going our way. Yesterday and last Saturday Carlos wasn't negative at all. 442, two strikers, two wingers in Reach and Wallace. I give him great credit for doing that at Derby. He should always do it at home. Those criticising him for yesterday are wrong imo. We attacked and were hugely unlucky. Some of our attacking play yesterday was a joy. On the 17th minute (ish) we hammered at their door for about two minutes solid. Brilliant stuff. Lee's shot, Bannan's numerous give and goes and chip were top drawer. The two headers stopped on the line....any other day we murder them. However, he has set us up to attack before, it works, it works again, again and again....and then he chickens out and reverts to a defensive line-up. It's not even that he does it against top teams away from home. He does it against the Wigans, Dons, QPRs, Sunderlands. And we suffer the consequences. He has the players to take sides on, but he doesn't trust them. It will be his downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Yesterday and last Saturday Carlos wasn't negative at all. 442, two strikers, two wingers in Reach and Wallace. I give him great credit for doing that at Derby. He should always do it at home. Those criticising him for yesterday are wrong imo. We attacked and were hugely unlucky. Some of our attacking play yesterday was a joy. On the 17th minute (ish) we hammered at their door for about two minutes solid. Brilliant stuff. Lee's shot, Bannan's numerous give and goes and chip were top drawer. The two headers stopped on the line....any other day we murder them. However, he has set us up to attack before, it works, it works again, again and again....and then he chickens out and reverts to a defensive line-up. It's not even that he does it against top teams away from home. He does it against the Wigans, Dons, QPRs, Sunderlands. And we suffer the consequences. He has the players to take sides on, but he doesn't trust them. It will be his downfall. There has to be a reason he doesn't trust them to take sides on and always reverts to a defensive structure. Perhaps it's a fitness issue or he doesn't trust the whole team to be able to defend properly if he sends them out with a all out attacking mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Picking out the odd match, like yesterday isn't a true reflection of the mindset. The negative tactics were present all last season, but he got away with it because the results went our way. This season they aren't. We were more positive yesterday, leaving Wallace and Bannan up when defending corners was a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, Holmowl said: On the 17th minute (ish) we hammered at their door for about two minutes solid. Brilliant stuff. Was that the spell when Wallace and Reach swapped wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 It is a myth Turner, Irvine, Gray ... All given the same tag when results were poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, kirksandallowl said: Surely a team playing negative football wouldn’t be the team that had the most shots at goal of any team in the 4 English divisions. Which according to sky’s match stats that what we did on Saturday and in many cases more than both teams added together (including the Leeds v pigs game, with many on here saying we should play more like them). I’m not saying i’m happy with the results at the moment but are Carlos’s tactics as negative as many on here are making out or is it a myth being used to beat him with because the results aren’t going our way. Stop defending CC. The man is a frigging joke. Never been as bored shirtless as the last 2seasons at home. Really wish I could find something better to do on match days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupremeOwl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Well losing isn't a myth and we're certainly doing a lot of that right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieswfc Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, camffiti said: It is a myth Turner, Irvine, Gray ... All given the same tag when results were poor He was negative last season when the results were good. We said it on here every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, owlsdreamer said: Stop defending CC. The man is a frigging joke. Never been as bored shirtless as the last 2seasons at home. Really wish I could find something better to do on match days. Not sure why, you can buy them in the club shop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the mighty wednesday Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 We do play attacking football when we are totally on top or we are behind. My complaint is when we are in front we stop playing or we start slowly and go behind. I think Carlos is afraid to lose. He is happy at 0-0 for most of the game and at 1-0 he tries to shut up shop too early. We were afraid to lose in the play off final. At home against Huddersfield we were all over them for a few minutes after the goal but then we stopped playing. We are playing better this season than last and we are having more bad luck but too much for it to be just coincidence. I don't think the players are sure what they are supposed to be doing at certain stages of games. I think this comes from Carlos. Also re the comment about the negative football criticism only coming when results are poor. Many people commented last season about passing back to Westwood from throws and free kicks in the final third, general negativity and slow build up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, kirksandallowl said: Surely a team playing negative football wouldn’t be the team that had the most shots at goal of any team in the 4 English divisions. Which according to sky’s match stats that what we did on Saturday and in many cases more than both teams added together (including the Leeds v pigs game, with many on here saying we should play more like them). I’m not saying i’m happy with the results at the moment but are Carlos’s tactics as negative as many on here are making out or is it a myth being used to beat him with because the results aren’t going our way. You can't say that, you'll upset the doomclappers on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 59 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: Was that the spell when Wallace and Reach swapped wings? Not sure. Don't think so. My boy noticed that, and asked me why he had done it. I thought it a really sound move. Bit of variety for their full-backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, alanharper said: We were at home to Barnsley, having a bunch of mostly off target shots against them doesn't make us Barca. Agreed. I thought they were really poor and we could only draw against them. Says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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