Essix Blue Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 12 hours ago, Coyt said: What I don't understand Grandad, is all what's going off behind the scenes ( you obviously know more than most of us) , surely Chansiri must be thinking all this dictatorship behaviour and alienating the fanbase for example,is only going to blow up immensely in his face? I mean we all know it's about financial gain for DC, but if this all continues on and off the pitch,once season ticket numbers drop next season, which they definitely will if the season continues as it is with CC in charge, then how does he expect to make any sort of marginal profit? What an absolute mess this club is in, christ I thought this kind of stuff was dead and buried in the past from previous regimes.... Grandad is one of my best friends, I sit with him on the kop. He’s told me a lot of what’s going on behind the scenes - and just to make it clear, this has been going on since DC came in. It’s not a recent thing, as such Nigel posting about it isn’t a knee jerk reaction to results on the pitch. To answer someones earlier comment on why Nige hasn’t posted about this before - there was no need. Things were going well and tbh if he’d come on here posting loads of negative stuff he’d have been shot down instantly. But now, while some still believe DC is the dogs b****x it’s time to put the record straight. To sum up what I’ve been told, and to answer quite a few questions fans are asking about DC and his behaviour and what he’s doing with our club, the basic answer to fans is...... he doesn’t care about you. You might find that hard to swallow what with all the nice selfies he gives etc etc. But it’s true. Its his club, his business, to sum it up in a well known football chant..... He’s Dejpon Chansiri, he’ll do what he wants. Oh oh and as regards fans turning - as we walked out yesterday DC was outside the directors entrance having a smoke, and a few fans were letting him know quite vocally what they thought of it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Essix Blue said: Grandad is one of my best friends, I sit with him on the kop. He’s told me a lot of what’s going on behind the scenes - and just to make it clear, this has been going on since DC came in. It’s not a recent thing, as such Nigel posting about it isn’t a knee jerk reaction to results on the pitch. To answer someones earlier comment on why Nige hasn’t posted about this before - there was no need. Things were going well and tbh if he’d come on here posting loads of negative stuff he’d have been shot down instantly. But now, while some still believe DC is the dogs b****x it’s time to put the record straight. To sum up what I’ve been told, and to answer quite a few questions fans are asking about DC and his behaviour and what he’s doing with our club, the basic answer to fans is...... he doesn’t care about you. You might find that hard to swallow what with all the nice selfies he gives etc etc. But it’s true. Its his club, his business, to sum it up in a well known football chant..... He’s Dejpon Chansiri, he’ll do what he wants. Oh oh and as regards fans turning - as we walked out yesterday DC was outside the directors entrance having a smoke, and a few fans were letting him know quite vocally what they thought of it all. Finally, the truth is coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Dear mods How long are we going to have to suffer this CNUT calling people a liar? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 12 hours ago, modboy said: im tempted to go to a Sheffield FC game sometime, cant be any worse than today I've been to the last 4 home games, it's good fun. Entertainment guaranteed, a good professional attitude from 22 players and - recently - plenty of goals. So, the polar opposite of watching wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 You can't educate Pork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I find it a lot easier to be critical of Carlos than Dejphon Chansiri if I’m being honest. With Carlos you can see what’s happening on the pitch for yourself and make a judgement of whether he is getting the best out of this group of players... clearly he isn’t. With Dejphon Chansiri however, it’s all rumour, hearsay and what we hear from other people. There is an assumption that Doyen are practically running the club but none of us actually know this, we are underperforming in the pitch and everyone is looking to apportion blame. What I would say however is that this talk of it being “HIS club” and him not caring less about the fans, would anybody really be THAT bothered if we were winning matches?? Assuming he doesn’t care about the fans (and we don’t actually know he doesn’t) would anybody be bothered if we were sat top of the Championship? Would anybody be bothered if we’d gone up last season? I doubt very much that the owners of Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd or Arsenal care that much about the fans. They all know that if you deliver winning football, everything else will sort itself out and the same can be said at Hillsborough. If we were winning matches, ticket prices, shirt prices and a random flag in the North West corner would be the least of our worries. My only criticism of Dejphon Chansiri is that he hasn’t sacked Carlos yet, when he does I’m confident with the players we have everything else will sort itself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Does the fact ghat he has repeatedly asked you to NOT continue to call him a liar mean anything to you or are you really as thick as you post. He did tell you that he will take the defamation further if you continue and I hope he does because I would happily back him against nasty small-minded cnuts like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls101 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 15 hours ago, Grandad said: It gives me absolutely zero pleasure to say it - but yes, I'm genuinely done. I've had some time since the OP to think. I actually drove straight to Newark to watch the team my lad manages in the Central Midlands League, hes now won 4 games on the bounce since taking over as manager (following 10 straight defeats). I stood watching a fantastic end to end game, with a pint in my hand and a pie at half time, the whole thing including entry and programme cost me less than a tenner, and I saw 11 (22 actually) completely committed players giving their all for their teams, no petulance (well, a bit). I'm not angry about Wednesday, far from it. I'm more sad than anything. One of the very worst things about being so entrenched in the club, and with my past at Wednesdayite etc, is that people constantly talk to me about Wednesday. Not just fans, I have so many good friends who work and have worked at Hillsborough, ex-players Ive met through organising fund raising events, and over the last 2 years you would be absolutely amazed at the stories I've heard from inside the club. I don't really do the ITK thing (other than the Hirst thing - because that really is a massive car crash and being handled extremely badly by the club - and the reputation of one of the greatest players in our history is being tarnished by someone whos been here a blink of an eye and so far hasn't given a fraction to this club that Hirsty has). But I am ITK about so so much that I won't share because it would literally scare the crap out of all but the most rabid Happy Clapper - and that would damage the club, and Ive never ever wanted to do that. So many good good people have left our club recently, people who also have Wednesday running through their blood, strong family connections, people who have worked there for years and often being paid a pittance of what they can earn elsewhere just because they love the club so much. The medical staff, including Paul Smith - laid off because they were presumably blamed by the manager for last seasons inept finish. Senior people within the Academy have walked. Numerous people in key departments again have walked. Accounts. Commercial. Catering. I've spent the last 18 months in a hectic social whirl of leaving do's for these people, all of them didn't really want to leave but felt they could no longer work at the club/job they love. At every single do I would find myself chatting to others who also want to leave. Theres a single common reason why all of these people want to leave. A single common person. And its not Carlos. Just a few days ago the Chairman was attacking a fan at the steering group for expressing opinions on Twitter - and also claiming that negative fans are affecting team performances. Thats his opinion, and hes entitled to express it. But by the same token he should allow the thousands of passionate Wednesday fans to express their own opinions too - that is what football is all about. As long as those opinions arent offensive (and I would never approve of the idiot minority who he alleges verbally attack him or his family), and as long as the opinions aren't defamatory - then they are just that - opinions. Isn't that what football is about? Isn't that why we have Owlstalk with 30k members? I got sued by a previous Chairman who claimed, quite incorrectly, that my views were defamatory. They weren't, and nether were they offensive. I went through some proper crap defending myself from that - but I never lost my love for the club. Well, I'm sad to say, this Chairman has kicked every bit of love for this club out of me now. Because, as he said at the steering group when he was wrapping up - its HIS club now. Ive always argued it will never be his club because without the fans the club is nothing. Well, for me at least, it is HIS club now, as this fan is finished. I sincerely hope I'm incredibly wrong. I would love nothing more. Enjoy your football. The personal abuse you're getting is out of order but I don't think you should be alluding to itk stuff if you're not willing to divulge the full story. I'm sat here thinking WTF could be happening to our club? Is it serious? Is it financial? FFP? Admin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 minute ago, TrickyTrev said: . My only criticism of Dejphon Chansiri is that he hasn’t sacked Carlos yet, when he does I’m confident with the players we have everything else will sort itself out. That could be the proof of the pudding mate. From what I hear, CC is here to stay. DC won’t get rid. Dunno why, ego? Two fingers up to the fans who want him gone? Afraid to be seen as having made a mistake?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Just now, owls101 said: The personal abuse you're getting is out of order but I don't think you should be alluding to itk stuff if you're not willing to divulge the full story. I'm sat here thinking WTF could be happening to our club? Is it serious? Is it financial? FFP? Admin? I think he's gone as far as he can without getting himself into trouble , which is fair enough isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: I find it a lot easier to be critical of Carlos than Dejphon Chansiri if I’m being honest. With Carlos you can see what’s happening on the pitch for yourself and make a judgement of whether he is getting the best out of this group of players... clearly he isn’t. With Dejphon Chansiri however, it’s all rumour, hearsay and what we hear from other people. There is an assumption that Doyen are practically running the club but none of us actually know this, we are underperforming in the pitch and everyone is looking to apportion blame. What I would say however is that this talk of it being “HIS club” and him not caring less about the fans, would anybody really be THAT bothered if we were winning matches?? Assuming he doesn’t care about the fans (and we don’t actually know he doesn’t) would anybody be bothered if we were sat top of the Championship? Would anybody be bothered if we’d gone up last season? I doubt very much that the owners of Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd or Arsenal care that much about the fans. They all know that if you deliver winning football, everything else will sort itself out and the same can be said at Hillsborough. If we were winning matches, ticket prices, shirt prices and a random flag in the North West corner would be the least of our worries. My only criticism of Dejphon Chansiri is that he hasn’t sacked Carlos yet, when he does I’m confident with the players we have everything else will sort itself out. I agree with this. I dont think it's time for a full scale mutiny against the chairman based on the rumours of one poster. Our main issues are football related. But even within that we have a good squad of quality players at this level. Get a new manager and go on a winning run much of the negativity would evaporate in my opinion. Edited October 29, 2017 by Bodhidharma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 About time Finlux stopped calling people liars or backed up his abuse with fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Right I'm off to the bacon boards to start giving them back a taste of their own medicine. Have to do some research first though, you know, so I know what I'm talking about and don't give the game away. Subtly does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Just now, Bodhidharma said: I agree with this. I dont think it's time for a full scale mutiny against the chairman based in the rumours of one poster. Our main issues are football related. But even within that we have a good squad of quality players at this level. Get a new manager and go on a winning run much of the negativity would evaporate in my opinion. In a football environment, on field and off field issues are interrelated. One is bound is to impact the other at some stage. Perhaps without the off field issues, we would still be riding high on the field. That simply cannot be overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 minute ago, RUMBELOWS91 said: I think he's gone as far as he can without getting himself into trouble , which is fair enough isn't it? It's not really that. More a case of what will it achieve? It's just putting the boot in on the club. Kicking it when it's down What will be will be. I sincerely hope Mr Chansiri will do what's right. You/we have no alternative other than to trust him, just like we did with Milan Well, one alternative. And that's the one I've chosen. I see no sense whatsoever in encouraging others to withdraw financial support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls101 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Just now, RUMBELOWS91 said: I think he's gone as far as he can without getting himself into trouble , which is fair enough isn't it? I appreciate that, especially considering grandads past. But just giving a half story isn't really helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls101 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Grandad said: It's not really that. More a case of what will it achieve? It's just putting the boot in on the club. Kicking it when it's down What will be will be. I sincerely hope Mr Chansiri will do what's right. You/we have no alternative other than to trust him, just like we did with Milan Well, one alternative. And that's the one I've chosen. I see no sense whatsoever in encouraging others to withdraw financial support If it won't achieve anything then why mention it in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: I find it a lot easier to be critical of Carlos than Dejphon Chansiri if I’m being honest. With Carlos you can see what’s happening on the pitch for yourself and make a judgement of whether he is getting the best out of this group of players... clearly he isn’t. With Dejphon Chansiri however, it’s all rumour, hearsay and what we hear from other people. There is an assumption that Doyen are practically running the club but none of us actually know this, we are underperforming in the pitch and everyone is looking to apportion blame. What I would say however is that this talk of it being “HIS club” and him not caring less about the fans, would anybody really be THAT bothered if we were winning matches?? Assuming he doesn’t care about the fans (and we don’t actually know he doesn’t) would anybody be bothered if we were sat top of the Championship? Would anybody be bothered if we’d gone up last season? I doubt very much that the owners of Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd or Arsenal care that much about the fans. They all know that if you deliver winning football, everything else will sort itself out and the same can be said at Hillsborough. If we were winning matches, ticket prices, shirt prices and a random flag in the North West corner would be the least of our worries. My only criticism of Dejphon Chansiri is that he hasn’t sacked Carlos yet, when he does I’m confident with the players we have everything else will sort itself out. This is one of a few splits in our fanbase at the moment. Those for whom winning and league position is everything. And those who think there's more to Sheffield Wednesday than that. I respect your view TT; but there's more to our 150 club, than that. I'm a little sad for those who can't see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reallondonowl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: About time Finlux stopped calling people liars or backed up his abuse with fact. Fully agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 You don't see to really grasp the concept of libel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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