owlmanc Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Great result today.... But so was Fulham away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 56 minutes ago, i used to be sc_owl said: It's going to take more than one win to change my mind. Every now and then we will win games just because we get everything right with our preparation. My thoughts are this is more down to luck than design. I don't think he has enough about him to get this team promoted. Most games we play below our potential. I hope he proves me wrong, but my fear is he will do enough to cling on to his job until the chance of promotion passes us by. Now and again we win games through preparation but this is more luck than design......... that has to be the daftest critique I've heard yet. stop preparing the team to win Carlos you lucky get........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Still a firm Carlos out for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Carlos in the stand we attack from the off and perform well. Carlos Out for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Not for me clueless carlos has'nt got what it takes another day and they score in the Second to go 2-1 up he relie's on others to make misstakes if we had'nt scored when we did then every one would be calling for his Head tonighte but clap away all you want. I think that's how you're supposed to do it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: That was not a lucky win. Not sayinb it was specifically in this game. However, I do think we get it right quite often through luck. My rationale for this is we are very inconsistent and not playing to our best for much of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 The outers have disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 good win we played well in patches but there is more to do yet , like needing to keep on our toes at the back , but hopefully it will come , time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarmanNWC Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 We are now at the point where he has little excuse. He has the squad he wanted and is playing a formation that works for the players that we have. When Lee is fit he pulls the strings and does FF's job better than FF. Up until this point this season he has been overly defensive to cover up the shortfalls in CB but now the 2 young lads are in then he can go for it more and it showed today. People calling for him to go before he got the transfer business done were jumping in too quick for me. I'd look after 15 games and if we didn't have at least 22 points then I'd ask questions. 30 points after 15 games is top 2 form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 31 minutes ago, ka58 said: Now and again we win games through preparation but this is more luck than design......... that has to be the daftest critique I've heard yet. stop preparing the team to win Carlos you lucky get........ Well you've almost quoted what I've said, which suggests you can read the words but the understanding seems to have eluded you. Are you familiar with the infinite monkey theorem? Might help with your understanding of my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I think changing the manager feels like something of an obsession among a few posters here. You could make out a case that we should have replaced after the play offs and there clearly were arguments both ways. But at this point it feels like something of a distraction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarmanNWC Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 32 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: Carlos in the stand we attack from the off and perform well. Carlos Out for me I knew someone would put this. Do you not think he was in regular contact with the bench? If anything being in the stands today gave him a better view than normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler66 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, NorthernOwl said: But how many team play into our hands by coming to Hillsborough and having a go like Forest did? They made it easy for us and most teams don't. Today was not a change of approach from Carlos. The thing that changed was the set up of the opposition. The pigs will come and act the big boys they can't help it,their great start might be a blessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 The knives were out 30 mins into the first half which looks even worse now than it did then. But it will reoccur every time we have a dodgy result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, thewookieisdown said: I think changing the manager feels like something of an obsession among a few posters here. You could make out a case that we should have replaced after the play offs and there clearly were arguments both ways. But at this point it feels like something of a distraction The thing is there is a general assumption that things will certainly get better with change, but they might not. It seemed like we needed to freshen things up earlier this season but hopefully we will settle a bit now as a team and kick on. If a change is made there needs to be a clear candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bark1062 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Markowski77 said: I'll be honest I've been all over the place, even wrote a post saying I'm cc out but on today's performance I'm cc in, we were great!! If if we can put a run together we will be there, all the other so called challengers are faltering aswell WAWAW Wasn't that good mate, but a wins a win although plenty of room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sl-OWL-ly Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 One win doesn't change my view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, i used to be sc_owl said: Well you've almost quoted what I've said, which suggests you can read the words but the understanding seems to have eluded you. Are you familiar with the infinite monkey theorem? Might help with your understanding of my point. I am but don't see how that applies when you were saying that our success came from preparation..... which goes completely against the infinite monkey theorem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 26 minutes ago, ka58 said: I am but don't see how that applies when you were saying that our success came from preparation..... which goes completely against the infinite monkey theorem. Preperation can be good or bad. Carlos, I assume, has faith in his own ability. He might think he's preparing well when he actually isn't, for example when we played Burton. For some games he might actually be preparing well, for example Newcastle last season. In either case his belief in his ability and action is constant but he's not the most objective person to ask in this instance. If he doesn't prepare well, but neither does the opposition then it might come down to simply which group of players wants it more, or which is more talented or more likely a combination of both factors. The Infinite Monkey Theorem applies here in the following way; given a large enough sample of games we will have some great results by pure chance alone. If Carlos has enough games to tinker and change, he will hit on a winning formula eventually just by chance alone. The manager of any team can be a force multiplier or an inhibitor or good performance. Use Chris Wilder as an example; he's getting that group of very ordinary players to some great results. How? He's a force multiplier. I suppose it comes down to whether you think we perform in spite of Carlosnor because of him. I don't think it's that simple because there is the other side to account for. Carlos could get all his preperation completely wrong but if the opposition do the same thing then we stand a better chance of winnin because, man for man, our squad is amongst the best in the division. Anyway i spin this, I just don't see evidence that Carlos is the reason for sustained great performances and results, but rather it's in spite of him and because of outside factors. That six game winning run last season came to an end when we rested most of the team, got beat by Fulham and then bent over to Huddersfield. For that good run, I believe we were without certain players as well? Players who were brought back for the limp display against Huddersfield. This is a bit rambling. I'm p****d off I didn't get to see the game tonight due to a TV roger up where I am. I'm p****d off my season ticket is going to waste. I'm p****d off because I think we can and should be doing much better in general. I'm p****d off because I've got in bed and I now need to p**s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 52 minutes ago, Captain Sl-OWL-ly said: One win doesn't change my view... Maybe try standing on a box then. It might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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