Pastor Kidneys Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, vulva said: You weren’t there. You don’t know what was said. What we saw was a player clearly upset at getting subbed. And he reacted poorly. His job when getting subbed is to get off the pitch asap and support the team from that point on. Smith shouldn’t have reacted either. Peterborough will have laughed their balls off at such small time behaviour. These lads are professional footballers for a reason. The key word is professional. Whether it was the right or wrong decision to bring him off is irrelevant. Slippery slope to let players behave in such a way. Byers is a very good player, and seems a decent character, so no major issue. Officials close to the incident decided it was a booking for Smith didn't they so they saw & heard what was said. Smith was at fault following Byers back to the dugout and pulling his shirt for all to see ... Byers was passionate and wanted to stay on ... and should have. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, Pastor Kidneys said: Officials close to the incident decided it was a booking for Smith didn't they so they saw & heard what was said. Smith was at fault following Byers back to the dugout and pulling his shirt for all to see ... Byers was passionate and wanted to stay on ... and should have. So players that are passionate and want to stay on, stay on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Fans judgement on whether a player is entitled to be frustrated when subbed depends on how highly they rate the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Kidneys Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, vulva said: So players that are passionate and want to stay on, stay on? Not according to DM. Byers was the wrong sub for DM to make IMO ... whoever slotted into midfield after the sending off (and there were a few changes as the game wore on) offered nothing better than we would have got from Byers. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleo Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Byers out of order. I like him, can understand his disappointment at being subbed, but Moore was trying to salvage something for the team after being dropped in it by the sending off. Whether it was the correct decision or not is for another time. Byers should have been thinking of the big picture - there is no “I” in team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4evaowl Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I like Byers, and think he's not been used wisely this season, but he will regret reacting in such a petulant way now the dust has settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon barksdale Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Poor from Byers , poor from Smith and poor from Moore . Get to half time at 0-0 and re- group, make your subs then. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, vulva said: You weren’t there. You don’t know what was said. What we saw was a player clearly upset at getting subbed. And he reacted poorly. His job when getting subbed is to get off the pitch asap and support the team from that point on. Smith shouldn’t have reacted either. Peterborough will have laughed their balls off at such small time behaviour. These lads are professional footballers for a reason. The key word is professional. Whether it was the right or wrong decision to bring him off is irrelevant. Slippery slope to let players behave in such a way. Byers is a very good player, and seems a decent character, so no major issue. You're wrong...the whole incident is on camera and Smith was booked. All fingers point towards poor management from the management team. Get over it and get over yourself. Only thing I agree with you on is the fact it isn't a big deal....it's been done hundreds of times in various games!! It wont be the last time either. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 It looks like a storm in a teacup; not even “handbags at dawn”. I’m sure that it’ll get resolved by a handshake and a bit of banter on the training pitch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 minute ago, shandypants said: It looks like a storm in a teacup; not even “handbags at dawn”. I’m sure that it’ll get resolved by a handshake and a bit of banter on the training pitch. I'd be a bit shocked and disappointed if there weren't similar bust ups most weeks in training. It certainly occurs regularly at top teams that are trying to be successful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, SiJ said: Taking him off was stupid. His reaction was stupid. The little assistants actions were stupid. All in all, a complete sh*show which got picked up and was all over Twitter last night. Turns what was a bad night into a particularly bad one. Congrats to all involved. Seen it this morning not sure why Smith got booked. Also not sure why a Peterborough player fell down in the box with nobody near him just before they scored. Can only think he thought the ref was so crap they'd get another player sent off and a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leggy Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 52 minutes ago, vulva said: You weren’t there. You don’t know what was said. What we saw was a player clearly upset at getting subbed. And he reacted poorly. His job when getting subbed is to get off the pitch asap and support the team from that point on. Smith shouldn’t have reacted either. Peterborough will have laughed their balls off at such small time behaviour. These lads are professional footballers for a reason. The key word is professional. Whether it was the right or wrong decision to bring him off is irrelevant. Slippery slope to let players behave in such a way. Byers is a very good player, and seems a decent character, so no major issue. DM is the root cause not James, not Byers or anyone else. He as confirmed after that substitution how inept the guy is as a tactician. Totally unbelievable his decision making. Does Byers give the impression he's a mardy arse, no he doesn't. Along with other players maybe just pisssed off with his tinkering and woeful decision making. I think that substitution was very relevant as the whole structure and composure after that incident collapsed. It says it all if Smith got booked regarding the fracas with Byers. Byers runs his knackers off and is then rewarded by the dreaded hook. It looked as though we were playing with 9 men not 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: I'd be a bit shocked and disappointed if there weren't similar bust ups most weeks in training. It certainly occurs regularly at top teams that are trying to be successful. Player’s (auto)biographies, podcasts (like Undr the Cosh) and the player “after dinner” circuit tells us exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, shandypants said: It looks like a storm in a teacup; not even “handbags at dawn”. I’m sure that it’ll get resolved by a handshake and a bit of banter on the training pitch. bang on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTLiam Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Anyone got the footage? i haven't seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 From my position in the section behind the goal I assumed that Byers was the instigator. Having seen it back, he was petulant, but had Smith not reacted then it would have been instantly forgotten. Credit to Dawson for doing his best to defuse it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorrallOwl17 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 How can anyone blame him for getting pissed off? He gets hooked off for a donkey of a centre back and has to watch Paterson attempt to play his role instead. Don't think Paterson was playing out and out centre midfield, but he dropped a lot deeper when we was down to 10. Therefore really, the starting trio could and should have remained. The back 5 got rejigged when it didn't really need to, all for the sake of bringing Iorfa on. I get his frustration, he's our most composed player and we needed that when down to 10 men. And Smith looks like he's suffering from small mans syndrome the jumped up little tool 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1498 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I can’t see how anyone can say byres is at fault, unless he made Moores little Cobweb follow him, grab him and pull his shirt, the 4th saw the lot and decided to book smith that speaks volumes. Byres only regret will be not just banging him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1498 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, PTLiam said: Anyone got the footage? i haven't seen it. Google Byres swfc kicking off it’s on Sky Sports page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Had Paterson done that he’d have got dogs abuse on here this morning. And he gets subbed more than anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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