wellbeaten-the-owl Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Django said: Hopefully they’ll get docked next year. Could do without any big clubs in league 1 next year Same reason I want Sunderland to win play offs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catdog1121 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 A precedent has been set that points deductions do not happen at the end of the season if it would send the club down... It will be max -6pts starting next season... Will be interesting to see where we are compared to Derby in about 3yrs time, they seem to be in about as much trouble as we are.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said: Appeal was won weeks ago, derby threatened daily mail with court action to stop them reporting it apparently, it's so ludicrous how amateurish EFL are in these cases There was something on.local tv the other day about a rugby league player who'd allegedly racially abused an.opposing player on.the 29th April. He's already been handed an 8 week ban. Forester's took a year. If the RFL can do it why can't the FA? Same in the RFU player gets cited a couple of days later they find out if they've been banned or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, catdog1121 said: A precedent has been set that points deductions do not happen at the end of the season if it would send the club down... It will be max -6pts starting next season... It Will be interesting to see where we are compared to Derby in about 3yrs time, they seem to be in about as much trouble as we are. Seemed to think on Talksport this morning that getting -12 would be a result for them they were saying that a substantial points deduction was on the cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Manwë said: The more cheating clubs that get relegated, have their income severely reduced, their squads decimated, the better for competitive football. Can't see any punishment this season, we (kinda) set a precedent on that one, with a notable nod toward Brum. It will apply next season, whatever it is. Derby fudged the numbers by £30m over three years, so you'd expect a points deduction based on FFP alone. Good for the EFL. Yeah.. the more Bournemouth’s, West Brom’s and Fulham’s yo-yo between the PL and championship because of parachute payments the better. Good to see ‘cheats’ like Wednesday and Derby being punished for daring to try to compete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, darra said: Seemed to think on Talksport this morning that getting -12 would be a result for them they were saying that a substantial points deduction was on the cards They have been naughty over a 3 year period.... have they broken P&S 3 times then? ...=36 points, or 12 points per season for 3 seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: Yeah.. the more Bournemouth’s, West Brom’s and Fulham’s yo-yo between the PL and championship because of parachute payments the better. Good to see ‘cheats’ like Wednesday and Derby being punished for daring to try to compete Whole thing is a joke how many times have Bournemouth Crystal Palace etc been in administration? If an owner wants to waste his own money it should be allowed. They should not be allowed to raise money against grounds and training grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: Yeah.. the more Bournemouth’s, West Brom’s and Fulham’s yo-yo between the PL and championship because of parachute payments the better. Good to see ‘cheats’ like Wednesday and Derby being punished for daring to try to compete In the interest of fairness, those teams who cheated (considering other clubs are punished for the same infractions if they aren't promoted) should face sanction when relegated. Ideally forfeiture of parachute money and a points deduction, increased by 3-6 points for aggregating factors (denying a compliant club promotion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, striker said: In the interest of fairness, those teams who cheated (considering other clubs are punished for the same infractions if they aren't promoted) should face sanction when relegated. Ideally forfeiture of parachute money and a points deduction, increased by 3-6 points for aggregating factors (denying a compliant club promotion) https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.goal.com/en/amp/news/what-premier-league-parachute-payments-how-much-teams-get/ndpbojgz6szj1ojgn3p7jlbuo This article says that parachute payments are £40m for for first year and about £35m for the second year. A club like Wednesday has revenue around £25m with the highest ticket prices in the league. A Wednesday type club on parachute payments probably has revenue of £65m in total. So it’s pretty clear that if you want to compete you have to overspend. Otherwise, comply with the rules and try and compete on 40% of the budget of other clubs. You’re stacking the chips against yourself to start with. To me there shouldn’t be any punishment.. put the money in escrow to protect clubs, but spend what you want. Compete with the closed shop, no sales of grounds. There are loads of people in this thread who think we should just take it and stick to our means and then they also think it would be possible to build towards promotion in this environment. They clearly haven’t done the maths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.goal.com/en/amp/news/what-premier-league-parachute-payments-how-much-teams-get/ndpbojgz6szj1ojgn3p7jlbuo This article says that parachute payments are £40m for for first year and about £35m for the second year. A club like Wednesday has revenue around £25m with the highest ticket prices in the league. A Wednesday type club on parachute payments probably has revenue of £65m in total. So it’s pretty clear that if you want to compete you have to overspend. Otherwise, comply with the rules and try and compete on 40% of the budget of other clubs. You’re stacking the chips against yourself to start with. To me there shouldn’t be any punishment.. put the money in escrow to protect clubs, but spend what you want. Compete with the closed shop, no sales of grounds. There are loads of people in this thread who think we should just take it and stick to our means and then they also think it would be possible to build towards promotion in this environment. They clearly haven’t done the maths I completely agree, it stinks. I suggested that very same thing but don't see any sort of credible, fair competition is likely whilever EFL have their heads up the arse of the premier League. The EFL are responsible for creating inflation in the league by allowing parachute money as they do, then punish clubs for trying to compete. Crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, hirstyboywonder said: But it is the parachute payments that others receive that at least in part cause other clubs to overspend in order to try and compete with them in terms of transfer and wages. How many clubs in the Championship are running at a profit? Not disagreeing with that but it was made out that the vast majority of promoted clubs were in receipt of PP’s. Just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, darra said: Seemed to think on Talksport this morning that getting -12 would be a result for them they were saying that a substantial points deduction was on the cards Don’t they have a director on the EFL’s board as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: Not disagreeing with that but it was made out that the vast majority of promoted clubs were in receipt of PP’s. Just not true. You're forgetting those getting promoted just after benefitting fully from 3 years of PP such as Cardiff in 2018 and Norwich in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: Don’t they have a director on the EFL’s board as well? https://www.efl.com/-more/all-about-the-efl/efl-board/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstyslaces Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 What with this, the "European Super League" proposal, VAR, plus TV governed kick-off times, football is rapidly becoming farcical, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Reckon Steve Gibson just came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Regarding points deductions: I thought the new thing was that it's unfair to dish out points deductions as it hurts the fans, players etc who had nothing to do with mismanagement at boardroom level? Or is that only applicable when the six biggest clubs in the country look to destroy the entire of English football? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: You're forgetting those getting promoted just after benefitting fully from 3 years of PP such as Cardiff in 2018 and Norwich in 2019. From what I can see by eyeballing the promoted list, here's a list of clubs that won promotion where parachute payments weren't a factor: 2020: Leeds 2019: Sheffield United 2018: Wolves 2017: Huddersfield, Brighton 2015: Bournemouth 2014: Leicester, Burnley 2013: Cardiff, Palace 2012: Southampton That's it for the last 10 years, or 30 clubs promoted. The other 19 promotion places were taken by clubs who'd been in the PL within 3 years beforehand. Of these 11, Southampton, Cardiff, Leicester, Bournemouth, Wolves and Leeds all had wealthy owners and would have broken FFP had they not gone up. That leaves us with 5 who have got there via a 'sustainable approach'. Palace who went in to admin to clear their debts, Brighton who invested a significant amount and built something over about 5 years, Huddersfield who drew their way to promotion and benefitted from the favourites bottling it and not turning up, Sheffield Utd who happened across a top class manager. And then Burnley. It doesn't really seem like there's much precedent for clubs living within their means and building something in a sustainable way and then competing and winning promotion. It's basically throw money at it, hope to get up before FFP bites and then live off the parachute gravy train to rebuild and get promoted again down the line. You're relying on a lottery win if you don't have parachute payments or a wealthy owner pumping money in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noleafclover Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Boring.....they'll just get a fine and point deduction for the start of next season. This is going to on going every season... ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 hours ago, NeonLeon said: What’s that from mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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