areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, 83owl said: Yes but if they were switched on enough to consistently do that then they wouldnt be low end championship players. I reckon they would. Neither Palmer nor Harris possess the quality to be much more than that. When putting a shift in and tracking their opponents, they're both average / lower-end Championship players; when not, they're worse than that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOwl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, A12owl said: I have read that scenario several times about Palmer. Surely if fans can see it then the coaches should be aware. They will absolutely be aware and all will have told him but he hasn’t changed. This is what annoys me when some say that a good coach can improve all players. No they can’t, only those who listen and want to improve. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I reckon they would. Neither Palmer nor Harris possess the quality to be much more than that. When putting a shift in and tracking their opponents, they're both average / lower-end Championship players; when not, they're worse than that. Yes neither are particurlarly gifted with natural ability. Makes it all the more important that they work hard and do the basics right. In Palmers case track back and put some effort in. In Harris's case the amount of times he has space to run into but instead tries 1000 stepovers before blazing over the bar gets a bit annoying. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastowl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, McRightSide said: What happened at kick off? Bannan just kicked the ball to their keeper. Not in a shot kind of way. He just chipped the ball to the D. Was baffling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, 83owl said: Harris and Palmer are both low end championship players so things like that will happen. I'm sure there are stats behind it that say otherwise but I like to see people on the posts at corners. Bannan contributes nothing stood 10 yards away from the corner taker, get him on the back post and he heads that clear (unless hes been watching Nigel Worthington) The 5'5 Bannan, clears that, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, 83owl said: Yes neither are particurlarly gifted with natural ability. Makes it all the more important that they work hard and do the basics right. In Palmers case track back and put some effort in. In Harris's case the amount of times he has space to run into but instead tries 1000 stepovers before blazing over the bar gets a bit annoying. I've never seen a winger try to run through their opponents as often as Harris. It's bizarre. Knock the ball one way and outpace them - it shouldn't be too difficult for a player with his acceleration. How he thinks he's going to get away from his marker by running straight at them, I have no idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Owl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I've never seen a winger try to run through their opponents as often as Harris. It's bizarre. Knock the ball one way and outpace them - it shouldn't be too difficult for a player with his acceleration. How he thinks he's going to get away from his marker by running straight at them, I have no idea. I don't think he has a football brain, or a brain at all haha. He needs a good manager/coaches to help him in decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, zzmdu said: The 5'5 Bannan, clears that, More of a chance being there rather than doing nothing where he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Harris is awful League 1 player at best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, mark77 said: Watch the build up to the chance that lead to the corner (and the goal). -Harris makes next to no attempt to latch on to the pass. -Possession is lost at which point Palmer makes a lazy, half a*sed attempt to tackle. -Harris gives up tracking back. -Palmer makes half an attempt to track back before giving up. We won't win anything with players with this attitude. Leads to an attempt on goal which needs saving, corner and goal. If anyone could upload a video of what I mean that would be appreciated. He's lost the dressing room or he never had it! Players aren't playing for him and probably want him gone! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megsonstheman Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Agree with OP. Just had a look at match highlights, its absolutely criminal what these 2 are getting away with, look at Palmer, a defender jogging back. These 2 shouldn't be anywhere near the matchday team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetherivelinowl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 3 hours ago, mark77 said: Watch the build up to the chance that lead to the corner (and the goal). -Harris makes next to no attempt to latch on to the pass. -Possession is lost at which point Palmer makes a lazy, half a*sed attempt to tackle. -Harris gives up tracking back. -Palmer makes half an attempt to track back before giving up. We won't win anything with players with this attitude. Leads to an attempt on goal which needs saving, corner and goal. If anyone could upload a video of what I mean that would be appreciated. Palmer gets caught upfield and jogs back. It's not exactly shock news is it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Don’t recall role of Harris in build-up to conceding corner, but Palmer’s attempt to recover was a disgrace and Pelupessy hardly covered himself in glory. Mind you, I’m still getting over Dawson against Rotherham and Bannan’s attempt to close down Luton’s goal scorer. So many of the goals we’ve conceded could have been prevented with just a modicum of application from our players. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S72 Owl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Palmers always been bad for just jogging back. It’s just not acceptable at any level. Sprint back into position. You might not catch the player but you’ll be back in position for any second balls etc. This is why I don’t understand people saying he could play the DMC role 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted November 1, 2020 Author Share Posted November 1, 2020 57 minutes ago, davetherivelinowl said: Palmer gets caught upfield and jogs back. It's not exactly shock news is it. Clearly is to coaching staff and himself as it continues to happen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 3 hours ago, mogbad said: He looked a decent signing before Monk arrived but like you I don't get why he's still an automatic choice. No he had a four or five good games when he first arrived. Then he was sussed out and the opposition doubled up on him. You'd expect that would mean more space for someone else but he's not intelligent enough to offload the ball to take advantage if that. So he heads down ( with head down) alley after blind alley. No end product and is surely one for replacing. I'm not sure that had anything to do with Monk. He's just a very one dimensional, limited player. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetherivelinowl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, mark77 said: Clearly is to coaching staff and himself as it continues to happen... Just watched the 'highlights'. I noticed that Bannan, Iorfa and Pelupessy were all giving Palmer a right earful once the ball was dead. No holding back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 6 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: Palmer was an absolute disgrace for their goal. Lost the ball and then jogged back showing no determination to win the ball. They score from the resulting corner. I was absolutely seething watching it. He is just , simply put , a below average player who is league 1 standard at best............always has been , always will be IMHO. Gets enormous amounts of slack cut for him because he is "one of our own" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest timrud Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 As soon as you saw Palmer in the starting line up you knew it wasn't going to be a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, davetherivelinowl said: Just watched the 'highlights'. I noticed that Bannan, Iorfa and Pelupessy were all giving Palmer a right earful once the ball was dead. No holding back. Dont think Bannan covers himself in glory either. Pelupessy gets dragged out wide to the winger and Bannan makes no attempt to get close to their midfielder, he just keeps tracking Akinfenwa (who is already marked). Poor play all round and another example of players not knowing or not caring to do basic things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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