beswetherick Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Pearson from that list, Paul Cook wouldn’t be the end of the world either though My “other” would be our ex-assistant Bruno Lage No idea how likely any of them would be, but we need a decent gaffer to get us out of this mess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, mcmigo said: It takes some doing to get through the acres of sewage on these threads so I will save people the job The thread can broadly be summarised as: 'We want to avoid relegation. We should sack our never relegated manager and one of the very few managers to survive in this league with a points deduction, and replace him with the former manager of relegated Watford or the former manager of relegated Wigan. ' Context please. This post completely lacks any sort of context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I’m FULLY behind Monk’s Revolution. Rome wasn’t built in a day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, fingyfop said: It would seem more like they changed their mind with evidence, after the Cowleys did poorly at Huddersfield Amazing 1 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beighton Owl 87 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Couldn't see Lee Bullen on that list. When monk is gone its probably going to be Bullen anyway. Should have given him the job last season. Would have finished the season higher up the table than we did. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, mcmigo said: It takes some doing to get through the acres of sewage on these threads so I will save people the job The thread can broadly be summarised as: 'We want to avoid relegation. We should sack our never relegated manager and one of the very few managers to survive in this league with a points deduction, and replace him with the former manager of relegated Watford or the former manager of relegated Wigan. ' And a record here that has him up their with Wednesday Managerial greats such as Burtenshaw, Ashurst, Eustace and Lukuhay. His clusterf**k of a decision to go with Dawson and Wildsmith as our first choice keepers will end his proud record of no relegation should he see the season out here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, A12owl said: Repeat repeat Post not poster please Youve been asked before to stop stalking Please stop It's getting too weird/worrying now Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Context please. This post completely lacks any sort of context. Sure thing. pearson got the Watford job when they were bottom of the league after a terrible start , 7 points from safety. They went down. Cook managed Wigan all season and got a points deduction and went down. so, one manager who failed to overturn a points deduction and one who failed to overturn a seven point gap to safety. we have a bigger gap to safety than Watford had , and a points deduction like Wigan. On what planet, apart from the planet mad, would you need to be on to appoint literally either of these two who had failed in the exact situation we are in now last season ?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 No idea other than I look and think about the whole situation and a little bit of sick comes up into my mouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, mcmigo said: Sure thing. pearson got the Watford job when they were bottom of the league after a terrible start , 7 points from safety. They went down. Cook managed Wigan all season and got a points deduction and went down. so, one manager who failed to overturn a points deduction and one who failed to overturn a seven point gap to safety. we have a bigger gap to safety than Watford had , and a points deduction like Wigan. On what planet, apart from the planet mad, would you need to be on to appoint literally either of these two who had failed in the exact situation we are in now last season ?! Context still lacking. Why are you determining how successful they will be based on how they did at one club? I don’t want Pearson so agree with you there but still he’s a better option than Monk. Cook managed 18 points out of a possible 27 despite just finding out at the end of June he was going to be hit by a 12 point deduction. Wigan would have stayed up without that. When Monk was hit with a points deduction at Birmingham they were already well clear of relegation. All the points deduction did was stop the slim chance they had of making the play offs. Monk has never been in this situation before. It’s completely different. PLUS on top of that he goes into this challenge on the back of a horrendous run of form last season. This is what I mean by context. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilky Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Paul Cook without their points deduction last season, accrued more points with Wigan than Monk who arguably had a better squad at his disposal. Wigan were the form team post lockdown and were very unlucky to be relegated and all whilst working under (likely) the only regime more batshi* than our own. Any manager that comes in now would arguably do a better job than Monk, he seems out of ideas and the squad look to have downed tools - a refresh is needed to get us out of this rut. None of this will happen because we have only just allowed Monk to bring in his team and his own players so hopefully he turns it around but our record in 2020 overwhelmingly, depressingly poor. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiregreenowl 80 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Eddie howe for me but maybe a touch too unrealistic but who would have thought Bielsa to Leeds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Shiregreenowl 80 said: Eddie howe for me but maybe a touch too unrealistic but who would have thought Bielsa to Leeds And another.. We want to avoid relegation. Why, when that is the objective, are we looking to hire managers who were relegated last season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiregreenowl 80 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, mcmigo said: And another.. We want to avoid relegation. Why, when that is the objective, are we looking to hire managers who were relegated last season? Howe did a fantastic job. He just stayed too long there. If pigs go down this season does that make wilder a bad manager? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, mcmigo said: And another.. We want to avoid relegation. Why, when that is the objective, are we looking to hire managers who were relegated last season? Cook finished mid table. Their bent owner got them relegated. Wigan were the form team in the second half of last season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Context still lacking. Why are you determining how successful they will be based on how they did at one club? I don’t want Pearson so agree with you there but still he’s a better option than Monk. Cook managed 18 points out of a possible 27 despite just finding out at the end of June he was going to be hit by a 12 point deduction. Wigan would have stayed up without that. When Monk was hit with a points deduction at Birmingham they were already well clear of relegation. All the points deduction did was stop the slim chance they had of making the play offs. Monk has never been in this situation before. It’s completely different. PLUS on top of that he goes into this challenge on the back of a horrendous run of form last season. This is what I mean by context. i get people arent happy about Monk - fine. But why are we thinking the best replacement is a manager who got relegated with a -12 points deduction last season? Of every manager in world football right now, he would be at the very bottom of the list as he literally failed to do the exact thing we need to do last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, mcmigo said: i get people arent happy about Monk - fine. But why are we thinking the best replacement is a manager who got relegated with a -12 points deduction last season? Of every manager in world football right now, he would be at the very bottom of the list as he literally failed to do the exact thing we need to do last season. You’re not getting it. Given the circumstances and the timing of Wigan’s points deduction, Cook did a fantastic job of getting Wigan up the table and he was incredibly unlucky to see the points deduction take them down. They even beat Hull 8-0 along the way. Can you imagine us ever scoring 8 goals in a game? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, SallyCinnamon said: You’re not getting it. Given the circumstances and the timing of Wigan’s points deduction, Cook did a fantastic job of getting Wigan up the table and he was incredibly unlucky to see the points deduction take them down. They even beat Hull 8-0 along the way. Can you imagine us ever scoring 8 goals in a game? He's never achieved anything beyond midtable in this division Not once Ever Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilky Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, mcmigo said: i get people arent happy about Monk - fine. But why are we thinking the best replacement is a manager who got relegated with a -12 points deduction last season? Of every manager in world football right now, he would be at the very bottom of the list as he literally failed to do the exact thing we need to do last season. Different situation - bring Cook in now and he has almost a full season at keeping us up, their 12 point deduction came towards the end of the season, with only a handful of games to save Wigan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: He's never achieved anything beyond midtable in this division Not once Ever That is absolutely perfect. Mid table is the goal this season. I’m glad you’ve seen the light. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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