andypandy Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I have no idea what happened behind the scenes, to bring us to where we are, bit i am glad it may come to a resolution, i wish him well, and hopefully we can all move forward from here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, tomhollywood said: I manage 65 members of staff. Unfortunately I can't sell them or move them on. So the few who are disruptive and create issues are placed where they cause the least disruption. What's that, making boxes in the box room? It's a far cry from professional football where a decision to put someone on gardening leave is basically not having them work at all at the cost of a small fortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Ellis Rimmer said: What's that, making boxes in the box room? It's a far cry from professional football where a decision to put someone on gardening leave is basically not having them work at all at the cost of a small fortune Chansiri is LOADED - it's only the EFL stopping him spending millions! Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Chansiri is LOADED - it's only the EFL stopping him spending millions! Yeh he's loaded and that's why he lets monk do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Before Westwood joined Wednesday from Sunderland he spent the last six months there on the treatment table with a shoulder injury. During his time there he also threatened to leave via the Irish Times if he wasn’t first choice for the following Saturday’s game. Sound familiar? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: Before Westwood joined Wednesday from Sunderland he spent the last six months there on the treatment table with a shoulder injury. During his time there he also threatened to leave via the Irish Times if he wasn’t first choice for the following Saturday’s game. Sound familiar? I don't think there is a doubt that he's not the easiest character to appease but what is a managers job actually to do if he were to freeze out every difficult character that comes his way? Imagine if Fergie was like that, at various points freeze Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney etc out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I don't think there is a doubt that he's not the easiest character to appease but what is a managers job actually to do if he were to freeze out every difficult character that comes his way? Imagine if Fergie was like that, at various points freeze Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney etc out? Difference is cantona , Ronaldo etc were superstars . Westwood is a past it, journey man , crock 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, james o connor said: Difference is cantona , Ronaldo etc were superstars . Westwood is a past it, journey man , crock Yes but Man Utd are one of the world's top clubs, relatively Westwood was one of our superstars and a fan favourite. He was still the best keeper we had at the point of being frozen out and it would have been better for the younger keepers to prove themselves as being better than him rather than just freezing him out and putting those two in. It cannot be said based on results after him being dropped that he made the right decision. Neither keeper have shown their worth as being championship level keepers, results are generally poor and we will have paid Westwood to do nothing for 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellis Rimmer said: That is terrible management though, he was a key player on big money, you shouldn't put him on gardening leave. He should have found a way to either 1) resolve whatever the issue was and play him or 2) sell him 1)Going over old ground through a couple of managers 2) He`s been the No.1 priority to get out of the door, you can only sell if there`s someone to buy. Indirectly, the chairman has to hold his hand up to the latest situation, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellis Rimmer said: That is terrible management though, he was a key player on big money, you shouldn't put him on gardening leave. He should have found a way to either 1) resolve whatever the issue was and play him or 2) sell him You do know that to sell a player you have to have both an interested club who is willing to pay enough wages to entice the player to play for said club as well as a player who is willing to leave? Also a chairman who actually has an ounce of business sense who sees footballers for what they are (assets or liabilities) would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, andypandy said: I have no idea what happened behind the scenes, to bring us to where we are, bit i am glad it may come to a resolution, i wish him well, and hopefully we can all move forward from here. Something happened at Christmas. PM @@owlstalk, he knows what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Yes but Man Utd are one of the world's top clubs, relatively Westwood was one of our superstars and a fan favourite. He was still the best keeper we had at the point of being frozen out and it would have been better for the younger keepers to prove themselves as being better than him rather than just freezing him out and putting those two in. It cannot be said based on results after him being dropped that he made the right decision. Neither keeper have shown their worth as being championship level keepers, results are generally poor and we will have paid Westwood to do nothing for 2 years. Would that be the Man Utd who have frozen out one or two players themselves in the past? Wasn’t Fergie renowned for getting rid if the presence of an individual threatened team harmony and dynamics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, mrbluesky said: 1)Going over old ground through a couple of managers 2) He`s been the No.1 priority to get out of the door, you can only sell if there`s someone to buy. Indirectly, the chairman has to hold his hand up to the latest situation, imho. 1 minute ago, 83owl said: You do know that to sell a player you have to have both an interested club who is willing to pay enough wages to entice the player to play for said club as well as a player who is willing to leave? Also a chairman who actually has an ounce of business sense who sees footballers for what they are (assets or liabilities) would help. But nobody wants to buy so you gotta get the best out of him and that is the managers job. He can't have done anything that bad or he would have been sacked. It's difficult to know Chansiri's part he can't win either way if you talk like that as it would be regarded as interfering if he told Monk he must play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Devonstrix said: Would that be the Man Utd who have frozen out one or two players themselves in the past? Wasn’t Fergie renowned for getting rid if the presence of an individual threatened team harmony and dynamics. He did move them on but he didn't leave valuable assets out of the squad for a couple of years beforehand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I think Westwood has been demonised, but seems likeable enough to me. You don't hear many rumours of him being a terrible person, just that he can be frosty. Is that justification of being frozen out? He can't have done anything *that* bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I think Westwood has been demonised, but seems likeable enough to me. You don't hear many rumours of him being a terrible person, just that he can be frosty. Is that justification of being frozen out? He can't have done anything *that* bad. Yeah exactly The fact that numerous managers over his career have frozen him out is baffling Must just be a massive coincidence that it's him every time Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Yeah exactly The fact that numerous managers over his career have frozen him out is baffling Must just be a massive coincidence that it's him every time Frozen out or dropped for playing reasons in the past? Jos froze him out, and look how clever that idea was. Easy win for Bruce to put him back in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Devonstrix said: But he’s not the best keeper in the league and hasn’t been for sometime. If he was, we would be getting trampled in the rush to sign him. Combination of loss of form, injury and bloody mindedness have meant the tail end of his career is fizzling out. Shame, but seems true. Agree. Lost his place on form and hasn't done enough to win it back. Been available for transfer for the best part of 18 months and nobody rushing to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Frozen out or dropped for playing reasons in the past? What difference does it make? The point being it always seems to happen to just one player - the same player every time - Westwood Quite the coincidence Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: He did move them on but he didn't leave valuable assets out of the squad for a couple of years beforehand I’m not a big Monk fan, but I’m not gonna criticise him for this. Clearly, there are others at the club who should be doing their best to move Westwood out and it hasn’t happened. Westwood may have a bad name now and other clubs think the combination of injury, the march of time and threat to harmony In their squads, make him too big a gamble. Somebody will come in for him eventually, but if he can’t get the same money, it will tell us more about him if he decides to just stay and collect the dosh every month, rather than go and play. Trouble makers in any work environment can cause serious disruption and it doesn’t matter if they are in an office, or rich footballers the effects are the same. I’m sure Monk would have loved to get him onside, same with Hutch and Forestieri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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