@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 If Westwood wanted to play football he could move elsewhere If Westwood was that good clubs would be lining up to buy/loan him If Westwood was that good for a club numerous managers wouldn't have frozen him right out of the entire picture If Westwood could be put into a first team and immediately improve things and get results why aren't clubs wanting him? If Westwood didn't have a reputation within football circles why did Chris Kirkland say he definitely DOES? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 34 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: I don’t care that he used to be the best goalkeeper we had. That fact is now redundant. He’s a lingering fart now which won’t leave And you make my point for me. Crass, coarse, disrespectful, offensive. What's wrong with people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I don't think there is a doubt that he's not the easiest character to appease but what is a managers job actually to do if he were to freeze out every difficult character that comes his way? Imagine if Fergie was like that, at various points freeze Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney etc out? Fergie did move on those he found allegedly 'difficult' though didn't he?....so we dont have to 'imagine'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, parajack said: Fergie did move on those he found allegedly 'difficult' though didn't he?....so we dont have to 'imagine'... Ferguson said very clearly that a manager should ALWAYS move troublesome players out immediately without hesitation 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, tomhollywood said: I agree on his performances. It would be nonsensical to most people. Like I said in the other post though, depends on his personality. If you've got millions in the bank, what difference is a few more hundred thou?! The money issue is by the by though. Nobody is coming in for him so both parties are stuck really. We don't know how much he has in the bank, if he has been well advised by his agency then he should be able to live a comfortable lifestyle you would think. A few hundred thousand more wouldn't hurt though. Clubs as Blackburn demonstrated will balk at matching his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: If Westwood wanted to play football he could move elsewhere If someone will match his wage. If Westwood was that good clubs would be lining up to buy/loan him If someone will match his wage. If Westwood was that good for a club numerous managers wouldn't have frozen him right out of the entire picture Yeah Jos and Monk - those world beating managers - as opposed to Bruce who gave him a new contract If Westwood could be put into a first team and immediately improve things and get results why aren't clubs wanting him? Because maybe he wouldn't improve those teams because they already have good goalies. If Westwood didn't have a reputation within football circles why did Chris Kirkland say he definitely DOES? And why do so many chairman see the need to unfairly slag off your hero Garry Monk? He isn't Lev Yashin. He might not even be Bob Bolder any more. His time may well be up here. He may be the best, second best, third best goalie on the books currently but at his peak he was our best, most consistent keeper for many years. I just think he deserves a bit more respect than he's been getting from some on here regardless of whether he should be in the team or not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, parajack said: Fergie did move on those he found allegedly 'difficult' though didn't he?....so we dont have to 'imagine'... He moved them out but he had them playing in the meantime which is what Monk should have done with Westwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhollywood Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I don't think there is a doubt that he's not the easiest character to appease but what is a managers job actually to do if he were to freeze out every difficult character that comes his way? Imagine if Fergie was like that, at various points freeze Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney etc out? Depends on the type of manager and culture at a football club presumably. Some managers rule with an iron fist, some are everyones best mate, some don't bother with training and just pick the team, some don't coach and leave to the coaches, others are hands on with the players. As a manager, they get to call the shots and manage how they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Ellis Rimmer said: He moved them out but he had them playing in the meantime No he didn't That's just a blatant LIE Ferguson got rid immediately Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: He isn't Lev Yashin. He might not even be Bob Bolder any more. His time may well be up here. He may be the best, second best, third best goalie on the books currently but at his peak he was our best, most consistent keeper for many years. I just think he deserves a bit more respect than he's been getting from some on here regardless of whether he should be in the team or not. I'll save my respect for people for five years time when the books come out about the last few seasons 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: If Westwood didn't have a reputation within football circles why did Chris Kirkland say he definitely DOES? His ex-chairmen say bad things about Garry Monk but it doesn't stop you liking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, rickygoo said: His ex-chairmen say bad things about Garry Monk but it doesn't stop you liking him. So there IS a problem with Westwood then? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellis Rimmer said: What's that, making boxes in the box room? It's a far cry from professional football where a decision to put someone on gardening leave is basically not having them work at all at the cost of a small fortune Ignorent post in my view, & obviously done by some one with little if any management experience...why? because anyone with mngt experience would have recognized the reality expressed in that post..... What did i learn from management? when ever you deal with 'people' the one thing you can always rely on,is that some will let you down(and themselves) its how you deal with that,which is what makes a difference.Alleged 'toxic' influences rarely,if ever change,or can be changed. Result? you have to limit their influence on others, & set an example..'pour encourage les autre' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I'll save my respect for people for five years time when the books come out about the last few seasons Write that chapter now. Let us all in on the secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: So there IS a problem with Westwood then? No idea. Likewise re Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Why aren't the Westwood lovers able to answer these very simple basic questions? If Westwood wanted to play football he could move elsewhere If Westwood was that good clubs would be lining up to buy/loan him If Westwood was that good for a club numerous managers wouldn't have frozen him right out of the entire picture If Westwood could be put into a first team and immediately improve things and get results why aren't clubs wanting him? If Westwood didn't have a reputation within football circles why did Chris Kirkland say he definitely DOES? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhollywood Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: We don't know how much he has in the bank, if he has been well advised by his agency then he should be able to live a comfortable lifestyle you would think. A few hundred thousand more wouldn't hurt though. Clubs as Blackburn demonstrated will balk at matching his wages. Like I said, that would just be my opinion on the money side of it. God knows what he's like personally. Up to him isn't it. He's got a contract so he's getting a wage. Good luck to him. I don't really care what happens off the pitch. As long as when 3pm comes the team look like they are putting a shift in and we seem to have a general plan then i'm happy. Footballers are ten a penny, in the grand scheme of things and our club, he'll soon be gone and drift into the memories along with other ex-players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, rickygoo said: And you make my point for me. Crass, coarse, disrespectful, offensive. What's wrong with people? If you act like a chump you kind of ask for stick to be given. Or does someone of his credentials just get left out for completely no reason? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Why aren't the Westwood lovers able to answer these simple questions? If Westwood wanted to play football he could move elsewhere If Westwood was that good clubs would be lining up to buy/loan him If Westwood was that good for a club numerous managers wouldn't have frozen him right out of the entire picture If Westwood could be put into a first team and immediately improve things and get results why aren't clubs wanting him? If Westwood didn't have a reputation within football circles why did Chris Kirkland say he definitely DOES? Only two of those are questions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, tomhollywood said: Depends on the type of manager and culture at a football club presumably. Some managers rule with an iron fist, some are everyones best mate, some don't bother with training and just pick the team, some don't coach and leave to the coaches, others are hands on with the players. As a manager, they get to call the shots and manage how they see fit. Yes and we judge whether they're correct on the shots they call- in my opinion he got this dreadfully wrong and I fail to see how anyone can refute that since our results and defence became woeful, and neither keep demonstrated that they're good enough to be championship footballers. 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: No he didn't That's just a blatant LIE Ferguson got rid immediately No he didn't, he got the best years out of Rooney, another year out of Ronaldo when he wanted to leave. Cantona got away with things that wouldn't be tolerated from other players too. Fergie did what was best for the club, he wasn't scared to kiss arse every now and again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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