Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: If he's the best keeper in the Championship and had no issues with being managed, clubs would be lining up around the block to sign him Unless he's on too good a wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: If he's the best keeper in the Championship and had no issues with being managed, clubs would be lining up around the block to sign him He's not the best keeper in the championship he's the best keeper at Wednesday. We don't have any players who are the best in the championship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 If he's as good as people say he is in this thread and has no issues with being managed, clubs would be lining up around the block to sign him 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhollywood Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Results>workplace harmony Results don't happen without workplace harmony. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 If he's as good as people say he is in this thread and has no issues with being managed, clubs would be lining up around the block to sign him WHERE ARE ALL THE CLUBS WHO WANT TO SIGN THIS PLAYER? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Willow Owl said: Yet there are people would rather demonise the club and manager rather than question Westwood in all this. He cannot always be the victim as he is always the one common denominator. The decision has been made to get rid and sooner the better for all parties Concerned, but mainly the club. Yes I know what you mean. What I would do if I was Monk at the time would be continue to play him and look to sell him, he's easier to sell if he's playing. Now if he's not bought and his form stayed poor I would swap him in for the other keeps and when their form became bad again bring Westwood back in for another run. Eventually we may get to the nice position of knowing definitevely that Dawson is better than Westwood. However as he just froze him out we are left with this odd situation where we have an enigma who doesn't get to play at the frustration of many fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Willow Owl said: Yet there are people would rather demonise the club and manager rather than question Westwood in all this. He cannot always be the victim as he is always the one common denominator. The decision has been made to get rid and sooner the better for all parties Concerned, but mainly the club. Why do we have to demonise the player either? No need to "demonise"anybody. Anyway criticism or questioning is not demonising. He's the best goalkeeper we've had for many years. Now his time at S6 appears to be over, certainly while the current manager - who has achieved nothing in his time here just like the last bloke who dropped Westwood - is in place. So be it. Players come and go - no need to castigate them. It will play out as it plays out. If someone has inside information then fine but otherwise it's speculation about a dispute between a potentially mardy goalie and a couple of potentially no-mark managers. Stand easy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Ellis Rimmer said: Yes I know what you mean. What I would do if I was Monk at the time would be continue to play him and look to sell him, he's easier to sell if he's playing. Now if he's not bought and his form stayed poor I would swap him in for the other keeps and when their form became bad again bring Westwood back in for another run. WOW Just..... WOW 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, rickygoo said: He's the best goalkeeper we've had for many years. Every other club in the WORLD disagrees with your view Which is why not a single other club is interested in him 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, tomhollywood said: Results don't happen without workplace harmony. But they were. We were 3rd in the league? Form dramatically deteriorated when he was frozen out for the good of harmony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hicktonshatrick Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Westwood frozen out for being frosty ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Ellis Rimmer said: But they were. We were 3rd in the league? Form dramatically deteriorated when he was frozen out for the good of harmony. If you can put Westwood into your side and get results WHERE ARE ALL THE CLUBS LINING UP TO BUY HIM TO DO THAT FOR THEIR TEAM? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: WOW Just..... WOW ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: If you can put Westwood into your side and get results WHERE ARE ALL THE CLUBS LINING UP TO BUY HIM TO DO THAT FOR THEIR TEAM? Why do you keep repeating this as if nobody has answered you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: No it happened twice and neither can say they were right to do it seeing as results get worse when he's out and better when he is in Again we keep hearing that it's good to get rid of trouble makers but I don't care how much of a happy environment the Wednesday dressing room is and how much the players love each other I am concerned about us winning and with him we win more The point is that he hasn't done anything that bad, he's not beat anyone up, racially abused anyone, got anyone drunk and forced them to drive. It seems he has just had a disagreement with Monk. Monk has not moved forward. He is only in a job because DC is very patient Results>workplace harmony You`re reading everything with a negative slant, because you can`t get your head around it ,I`m saying it purely from the managers stand point, it matters not what anyone thinks, Monk is obviously implementing HIS way forward, and for whatever reason KW isn`t in them. Again this is nothing new, take a look at our latest recruit Who knows, Monk may be of the opinion that the 2 keepers in front of him, are overall better, he see`s them in training everyday, not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, mrbluesky said: You`re reading everything with a negative slant, because you can`t get your head around it ,I`m saying it purely from the managers stand point, it matters not what anyone thinks, Monk is obviously implementing HIS way forward, and for whatever reason KW isn`t in them. Again this is nothing new, take a look at our latest recruit Who knows, Monk may be of the opinion that the 2 keepers in front of him, are overall better, he see`s them in training everyday, not us. Yes I get this it is Monks way, I am arguing he isn't right to do it this way. Wildsmith and Dawson may well be better now after all the time Westwood has been training with the u23s or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Why do we have to demonise the player either? No need to "demonise"anybody. Anyway criticism or questioning is not demonising. He's the best goalkeeper we've had for many years. Now his time at S6 appears to be over, certainly while the current manager - who has achieved nothing in his time here just like the last bloke who dropped Westwood - is in place. So be it. Players come and go - no need to castigate them. It will play out as it plays out. If someone has inside information then fine but otherwise it's speculation about a dispute between a potentially mardy goalie and a couple of potentially no-mark managers. Stand easy. The only managers we have had who have achieved anything in the last twenty years are Dave Jones and sturrock. That “achievement” was promotion from league 1. Every other manager we have had have achieved nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pioowl Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Yes I know what you mean. What I would do if I was Monk at the time would be continue to play him and look to sell him, he's easier to sell if he's playing. Now if he's not bought and his form stayed poor I would swap him in for the other keeps and when their form became bad again bring Westwood back in for another run. Eventually we may get to the nice position of knowing definitevely that Dawson is better than Westwood. However as he just froze him out we are left with this odd situation where we have an enigma who doesn't get to play at the frustration of many fans. Dont know who it was but someone on here will remember when ,before Monk came someone at the club said something like " we cant play a goalkeeper who cant move " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Why do you keep repeating this as if nobody has answered you? Because you haven't answered it You're claiming Westwood should be in the side because he's a great keeper and brings results You're saying that managers should just manage him and get the best out of him But there's not a SINGLE MANAGER or club in the world who's willing to Why is that? Where are they all? Why is nobody wanting him? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Every other club in the WORLD disagrees with your view Which is why not a single other club is interested in him Just because he's the best goalie we've had for years doesn't necessarily make him attractive to other clubs, nor does it make him the current best in the division. I've never said that. Just amused by the snarkiness about a player who has served us much better than the managers who dropped him. I don't see people queueing round any block to buy Dawson or Wildsmith either. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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