Guest mrbluesky Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, beloved_aunt said: I know we’ve had a bit of pre season optimism, but bearing in mind we need top half form just to get fourth bottom, how many of our squad are actually good enough for that? I’ve categorised our squad under three headings: - Top half Champs player - Bottom half Champs player - League One player It makes grim reading. Without some serious additions out wide and up front I’d be worried about staying up, even without -12 GKs Wildsmith - Bottom half Dawson - Bottom half CBs Iorfa - Top half Dunkley - Bottom half (never played higher in his career) Borner - Bottom half (only 4 CBs dribbled past more in Champs last season) Lees - Bottom half Van Aken - League 1 Urogihde - League 1 RWBs Palmer - Top half as a defensive full back in a back 4, as a wing back bottom half Odubajo - League 1 LWBs Harris - Bottom half esp as a WB Penney - League 1 CMs Bannan - Top half Luongo - Top half Reach - Current form have to say bottom half unless he can have a dramatic uptake Brown - Potentially top half of stays fit Hunt/FDB/Shaw - League 1 for now STs Rhodes - League 1 About right, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I guess we all knew the state of affairs, the form table doesn’t lie. Our fate next season, was all about what Monk could do in this window. It was clear that we needed to add 5 or 6 players to the starting eleven, that were better than the options who struggled last year. If we do that, I think we’ll be OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scilly owl Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Could you produce another graph for their singing ability please. 1. Acceptable 2. Partially Deaf. 3. Shut the f•ck up. On the evidence that I’ve heard there ain’t gonna be anyone in category 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: Good to see you're positive about the first year of monk's five year plan...that's what I like to see. Keep up the good work Could be worse Davey... Save Our Owls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, s29wfc said: And where are they now? One can't can't get a game for the side we beat 3-1 that day and the other is twiddling his thumbs without a club. So what attacking replacements can we call upon now then, starters, never mind off the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Soul Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 This is daft! It’s a team game! If you add some New ingredients to a mundane dish the result can become outstanding .. But used in other dishes the additional ingredients might have failed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Championship winning squad there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s29wfc Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Just now, gurujuan said: So what attacking replacements can we call upon now then, starters, never mind off the bench I'll tell you on the 12th of September when the season starts when hopefully we will have those options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggowl Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I think we're 5 quality (top half champ players) away from a squad that can survive. Of course a league 1 player can make the step up and I hope the likes of Penney do that quickly but yeah realistically we're still way short of challenging for survival!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Still time yet to bring in a few players and it would be no surprise to find us struggling to score goals this season. Need in our situation to get good team spirit going, cant afford a few big name players not pulling in the same direction as we have had over last couple of seasons. Think the first 5 games will be crucial for setting the tone of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Any of us who watched those post Christmas games, would have agreed, to start turning things around, that starting eleven needed a huge influx of quality. Brown brings us a little bit of that quality, but there is still plenty to do. At least another 5 signings of that ilk, or better, are needed if we are to progress 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 GKs Westwood - Top Half Wildsmith - Bottom half Dawson - Bottom half CBs Iorfa - Top half Dunkley - Bottom half Borner - Bottom half Lees - Bottom half Van Aken - League 1 Urogihde - League 1 RWBs Palmer - League 1 Odubajo - Bottom Half LWBs Harris - Bottom half Penney - Unknown (Potentially Top Half) CMs Bannan - Top half Luongo - Top half Reach - Top half Brown - Top Half Hunt/FDB/Shaw -Unknown STs Rhodes - League 1 My Assesment which isnt too dis simular to the OP's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack the Hat Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 It’s about the sum of the parts though. To a degree what’s happening reminds me of England in the World Cup . No great individual players but together formed a cohesive unit. For me the best bit will be seeing us attack with pace and numbers. For too long we have been slow and predictable. I agree with the ratings though. V accurate. I would anticipate dunckley will be better and Rhodes has it in him to be better. And also Brown. Good post. Bet you don’t get invited to many parties though do you Mr Buzzkill, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Plonk said: For balance we started last season with. westwood odebanjo Tom lees Borner palmer reach K Lee bannan hutch harris fletcher. won 31 at reading as it stands line up v cardiff dawson odebanjo dunkley borner palmer reach bannan luongo brown harris Rhodes stronger Or weaker? Weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, s29wfc said: I'll tell you on the 12th of September when the season starts when hopefully we will have those options. That’s all I’m saying though, and I guess that was Beloved Aunt’s point, as of now, we are still a team who will struggle, and this next week is absolutely crucial. I’m still optimistic that Monk will get the business done, but I think it’s reasonable to point out to some on here, that as of now, not much has changed for the better Here’s hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greengrass Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Looking at that list let's hope Iorfa doesn't get injured. If, at the end of the season we finish 4th from bottom I will be more than happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, beloved_aunt said: CBs Borner - Bottom half (only 4 CBs dribbled past more in Champs last season) Where are you getting this from pal? According to WhoScored.com, Borner was dribbled past 0.6 times per game on average. That ranks him as 24th in the league for CB's as most dribbled past. Notable CB's that were dribbled past more per game include Aden Flint (0.7), Shaun Hutchinson (0.8) and Michael Hector (0.9). In fact, one of the least "dribbled past" players in the entire league at 0.2 on average per game is... Liam Palmer. Basically, not only do I disagree with your assessment that he was dribbled past more than nearly every single other CB in the league last season, but that stat alone does not indicate quality or lack thereof. Otherwise, Liam Palmer is a bit of a world-beater at this level... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Greengrass said: Looking at that list let's hope Iorfa doesn't get injured. If, at the end of the season we finish 4th from bottom I will be more than happy. Or sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, Plonk said: For balance we started last season with. westwood odebanjo Tom lees Borner palmer reach K Lee bannan hutch harris fletcher. won 31 at reading as it stands line up v cardiff dawson odebanjo dunkley borner palmer reach bannan luongo brown harris Rhodes stronger Or weaker? IMO, pretty much on par if you ignore that final front line. The issue is definitely the lack of options from the bench though... outside of that starting XI, it feels like we've got nothing more to offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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