sonofbert2 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 If he’s that fuckingbriiliant why has nofucker signed him? (Same goes for Hutchinson and FF?) 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, parajack said: Players usually get dropped through loss of form,or other issues...You not think it a little unusual that 2 completely different Managers,with different styles,found the need to single out the same 2 Players in the way they did? Like a lot of things in Football,where things are not openly discussed,you have to read in between the lines..to find the reason(s) you think are behind it. 'Frozen' out? What possible reason would two separate managers have?They both took a dislike to them? Not credible really is it? Nor professional,and what ever failings people have of them ,i dont think a lack of Professionalism would apply to Jos or Monk Indeed but equally 3 other manager (Carlos, Bruce, Bullen) have played them regularly the 2 completely different manager both had an appalling record as the club. Could it maybe be that they are wrong to excluded them and their records would have been better had Westwood and Hutch both played more often. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, dewsburyowl58 said: You just don’t like the bloke Not at all, 4 years ago he was the best keeper in the league by miles. Time and injuries have caught up, no way is he the same keeper who alone kept us in the playoffs on many occasion. You have to accept when players are past their best to leave sentiments aside and move them on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Hookowl said: Don't back up keepers have to sit on the bench ? Indeed but premiership bench are heated and the have nice cushions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: If he’s that fuckingbriiliant why has nofucker signed him? (Same goes for Hutchinson and FF?) Says all you want to know and also why we got him on a free originally. He has done his time, we cant keep looking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, room0035 said: Indeed but premiership bench are heated and the have nice cushions. Obviously Ireland ones don't have them either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: If he’s that fuckingbriiliant why has nofucker signed him? (Same goes for Hutchinson and FF?) 30k reasons i would guess (in todays market) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Big Jack said: Not at all, 4 years ago he was the best keeper in the league by miles. Time and injuries have caught up, no way is he the same keeper who alone kept us in the playoffs on many occasion. You have to accept when players are past their best to leave sentiments aside and move them on. Don’t talk sense on here ... he was great now he’s anything but . The fact people still want him in the team is bewildering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Just now, Grandad said: The 2 managers who posessed the worst man-management skills of any managers we have had in living memory. not heard this one , who's been kicking off about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, james o connor said: Don’t talk sense on here ... he was great now he’s anything but . The fact people still want him in the team is bewildering. Somebody is seriously talking about getting fuckingHooper back in another thread ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, modboy said: 30k reasons i would guess (in todays market) Yes but he’s premiership class, an international and a top professional so surely it can’t be about money. He even does reyt nice stuff for kids on Instagram. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, Grandad said: Frozen out by the 2 worst Sheffield Wednesday managers since we got relegated from the Premier League. The 2 managers who have looked least likely to get us promoted back there. The 2 managers who have chosen to put personalities before talent and what the players brought to the team The 2 managers who posessed the worst man-management skills of any managers we have had in living memory. Yes. Frozen out. Neither you ,or I have any idea at all why these two players were dropped,and why two different Managers refused to even let them train with the first team.We can only theorise....is it really credible that two different Managers,from 2 completely different backgrounds,different managerial styles,would both be unprofessional enough to do what you suggest? Just doesnt add up,doesnt make sense...and both the players you refer to had allegedly lost form and were injury prone..... As to'worst managers' well theres a few who would argue with you about that,heres a couple you can think about,worse than Peter Eustace?..his football as Manager was allegedly dire, all these had a worse win % than Jos: 33.33 (co incidentally the same ratio as 'Big Ron'..) Terry Yorath Danny Wilson Paul jewell David Pleat Peter Eustace Steve Burtenshaw Danny williams Derek Dooley jack marshall and of course your fave Garry Monk on 31.82!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sheffield_Wednesday_F.C._managers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 The time periods are different,different issues,who knows?thats the problem,we simply just dont know....So we are theorising...at the end of the day,it does boil down to opinion,as we simply dont know the 'facts' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Him, Hutchinson and FF wanted Chrimbo off (as per usual) and Monk said fuckoff and the rest is history (never mind the otherbollocks previously). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, parajack said: The time periods are different,different issues,who knows?thats the problem,we simply just dont know....So we are theorising...at the end of the day,it does boil down to opinion,as we simply dont know the 'facts' What we do know is the 3 manager Carlos, Bruce, Bullen that did play Westwood and Hutch did a lot better at the club than the 2 that didn't Win ratios at the Owls Carlos 42.75 Jos 33.33 Bruce 38.89 Monk 31.82 Bullen 46.7 But 3 managers from completely different backgrounds and experience who played Westwood and Hutch had better win ratio's. That might suggest that playing you best players instead of not playing them means you do better - just my opinion of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOwl Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, A12owl said: Our supporters don't do F & F. Forestieri was deemed by some not worthy to wear the shirt after Norwichgate. Sometimes you have to let things go in order to get the best out of a situation. There are some things you simply cannot forgive. Refusing to play is one and refusing to train or sit on the bench is another. Requires strong management to deal with this in the right way. Get rid or concede and watch others folllow their poor example. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOwl Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, room0035 said: What we do know is the 3 manager Carlos, Bruce, Bullen that did play Westwood and Hutch did a lot better at the club than the 2 that didn't Win ratios at the Owls Carlos 42.75 Jos 33.33 Bruce 38.89 Monk 31.82 Bullen 46.7 But 3 managers from completely different backgrounds and experience who played Westwood and Hutch had better win ratio's. That might suggest that playing you best players instead of not playing them means you do better - just my opinion of course. You can use stats for many purposes. Westwood was the best keeper, isn't any more. Opinions of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOwl Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Grandad said: Frozen out by the 2 worst Sheffield Wednesday managers since we got relegated from the Premier League. The 2 managers who have looked least likely to get us promoted back there. The 2 managers who have chosen to put personalities before talent and what the players brought to the team The 2 managers who posessed the worst man-management skills of any managers we have had in living memory. Yes. Frozen out. Factually incorrect on the first point. Impossible to objectively back-up the last one. If you like mardy-arse, and think he's the best keeper at the club, just say it Edited August 24, 2020 by GLOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 48 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: Somebody is seriously talking about getting fuckingHooper back in another thread ffs! I wouldn’t be surprised . We may as well get 40 year old jj back because he scored some right good goals in 2011 ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 hour ago, room0035 said: Indeed but equally 3 other manager (Carlos, Bruce, Bullen) have played them regularly the 2 completely different manager both had an appalling record as the club. Could it maybe be that they are wrong to excluded them and their records would have been better had Westwood and Hutch both played more often. 4 managers. Gray did too. It was one of the (2) seasons when he equalled the clubs 150yr clean sheet record. 53 minutes ago, parajack said: Neither you ,or I have any idea at all why these two players were dropped,and why two different Managers refused to even let them train with the first team.We can only theorise....is it really credible that two different Managers,from 2 completely different backgrounds,different managerial styles,would both be unprofessional enough to do what you suggest? Just doesnt add up,doesnt make sense...and both the players you refer to had allegedly lost form and were injury prone..... As to'worst managers' well theres a few who would argue with you about that,heres a couple you can think about,worse than Peter Eustace?..his football as Manager was allegedly dire, all these had a worse win % than Jos: 33.33 (co incidentally the same ratio as 'Big Ron'..) Terry Yorath Danny Wilson Paul jewell David Pleat Peter Eustace Steve Burtenshaw Danny williams Derek Dooley jack marshall and of course your fave Garry Monk on 31.82!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sheffield_Wednesday_F.C._managers I had no idea we had so many managers since we left the Premier League (which is what I said) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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