billyblack Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: I’m sure most of the Boro players would fall into that category, but get a more competent manager in, and they appear totally different players Warnock is an excellent manager at this level, one of the best. His record speaks for itself, we couldnt attract anyone of his calibre if we wanted to. We still have nobody who is going to score the goals this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, zzmdu said: Why was SB, able to take us in the right direction under DC? Can we attract another steve bruce? Doubt it. He had more players available than Monk has now, he also had another coach helping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Practicality or probably every other club in the professional game will change manager when it's not working out. That's how it is these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, billyblack said: ...….we couldnt attract anyone of his calibre if we wanted to. That's something that those calling for Monks head seem happy to overlook. Despite what some of our fans seem to think, the managerial position at SWFC is not highly prized, and good calibre managers are not going to beat a path to our door simply for the privilege of working for us. I've no doubt that there are managers who could do a better job than Monk with the same resources. But the questions you need to ask are: 1) Who are they? Who is out there who clearly and obviously has the right attributes? 2) Are they available for employment? 3) Even if they are, would they come? I can think of no one, off the top of my head, who satisfies all three of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 IF we stay up there will always people fancy turning us around. Monk is so uninspiring he certainly isn't the man. The form at the moment needs a fresh start including most of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: He was here about 8 minutes mate It was 6 months, enough to see how things were changing & optimism came in. That what top managers do, & why they are in demand. It wasn't DCs or Bruce's fault that the nufc offer came in. Monk isn't doing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, zzmdu said: It was 6 months, enough to see how things were changing & optimism came in. That what top managers do, & why they are in demand. It wasn't DCs or Bruce's fault that the nufc offer came in. Monk isn't doing well Monk isn't doing well Before Christmas he was doing better than Steve Bruce did. Referring to Bruce's time at the club can be counteracted by simply pointing to Garry Monk having a better win record than Carlos, Big Ron etc in the run up to Christmas 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Monk isn't doing well Before Christmas he was doing better than Steve Bruce did. Referring to Bruce's time at the club can be counteracted by simply pointing to Garry Monk having a better win record than Carlos, Big Ron etc in the run up to Christmas You're right Monk did well for his first 5 months in charge. How much was down to Bruce's improvements or Monks ability is difficult to determine. The capitulation over the last 6 months suggests the former, together with Monks failure to succeed in the long term at his other clubs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 7 hours ago, RigBon said: Genuine question. Try and be realistic in your answer. Don't want to state the obvious but ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, zzmdu said: You're right Monk did well for his first 5 months in charge. How much was down to Bruce's improvements Ahhhh I see. Does that mean Carlos first season was the result of the previous manager's efforts then? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Ahhhh I see. Does that mean Carlos first season was the result of the previous manager's efforts then? Any new manager has to take over the previous managers squad & culture. I've not said anything radical. I know you have blind faith in Monk. But read this & let in sink in: Monk has been a manager for 6 years & is on a terrible run with his 5TH club. He has managed 1 good full season (his 1st), which quickly went down south in his second season, sacked after a disastrous run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, zzmdu said: I know you have blind faith in Monk. I really really don't If Monk gets sacked this morning I fully understand why some might think that's a good thing. It's a results based business and the results are what determines your longevity. However I'd say there are some serious significant and massive mitigating factors at this football club I'd also suggest that if we removed this manager then we are at the mercy of the same people recruiting the next one, at a time this club looks perilous on all fronts, and I'd question any capable experienced manager seeing coming here as a good move for them Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Changing the manager right now might give us a short term boost in terms of results but in the medium to long term, nothing will change at this club while ever there is no change in the boardroom. If we were to sack Garry Monk today, in 8-12 months time I guarantee you fans would be calling for the next managers head. Until Dejphon Chansiri either sells up or brings in some new advisors who understand football and have the best interests of the club at heart, nothing will change for the better at Hillsborough. This in my view is the sad reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shezza Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 We completely lack successful, experienced football people throughout the club. We need someone like Paul Aldridge to rebuild the club. Good owners surround themselves with people with experience and knowhow. DC is clueless about running a football business (any business?) and clearly thinks he can do it himself. He had been and is incredibly arrogant and stupid thinking he does not need experienced support. At the beginning of the season we had a decent squad of players capable of a top half finish. No plan, no infrastructure has left us in a complete mess needing a complete rebuild of the squad. The man to do that is clearly not Monk. He has improved results at most of his clubs in his first few months, but soon he’s been taking them all backwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shezza Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: Changing the manager right now might give us a short term boost in terms of results but in the medium to long term, nothing will change at this club while ever there is no change in the boardroom. If we were to sack Garry Monk today, in 8-12 months time I guarantee you fans would be calling for the next managers head. Until Dejphon Chansiri either sells up or brings in some new advisors who understand football and have the best interests of the club at heart, nothing will change for the better at Hillsborough. This in my view is the sad reality of the situation. Agree with most of that, but Monk had basically proven that he will never be the man to take this or any other Championship club forward over a period of time. With some luck, DC may stumble across a decent manager to oversee an overhaul of the squad. With Monk in charge, any decent squad building won’t happen. Edited July 9, 2020 by Shezza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 9 hours ago, RigBon said: Genuine question. Try and be realistic in your answer. Topic might as well have been “Slate Monk here”. Your topic is rather too intellectual for idiots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, edwinowl said: Boro managed it. They’ll overtake us shortly. No they won’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m77owl Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 We need a structure, starting with a competant CEO and scouting/procurement setup. A good backroom / medical team. A realistic plan with budgets. Maybe Monk is not performing but what does he have to work with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIPPS_S.W.F.C Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Stability..........and 1 or 3 points a game.......and not capitulate in 70% of games.... UTO..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Monk hasn't given anything since Christmas to indicate he's the man to turn things around .. no inspiration, no rally cry, no heroic speech and seeing players respond .. its all so lacklustre and flat .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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