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1 hour ago, Royal_D said:


Yeah that’s fair enough, well explained to someone who’s in over there head with the whole FFP scenario if am honest 

 

I just wonder why if it’s as clear cut as you explain, why after been consulted didn’t the EFL just say ‘no that’s not allowed’ ?  Not just to us but to Derby aswell who am aware aren’t accused of misconduct in backdating the accounts like us, but have still surely calculated the sale of pride park into there FFP figures ? 
 

Aston Villa also did this, before 2016 ? Am not too sure , but seems wether it’s a loophole or not it’s something the EFL have turned a blind eye to and are now wanting to change the goalposts 

In Derby’s case it seems to be the ground valuation that’s the issue. With us it’s the timing of the ground sale transaction and allocation to the previous years accounts. I wouldn’t be surprised if it also about what we included (or omitted) in the forward financial projections required under the P&S rules - just guessing there though. All cases are about how things have been done, not because a ‘loophole’ has been exploited.

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13 hours ago, HarrowbyOwl said:

In Derby’s case it seems to be the ground valuation that’s the issue. With us it’s the timing of the ground sale transaction and allocation to the previous years accounts. I wouldn’t be surprised if it also about what we included (or omitted) in the forward financial projections required under the P&S rules - just guessing there though. All cases are about how things have been done, not because a ‘loophole’ has been exploited.


But whichever way these deals were done , the sales have still been used to offset FFP issues ?  Which your saying is point blank not allowed after the rule change in 2016 ? Or have I misunderstood 

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1 minute ago, Royal_D said:


But whichever way these deals were done , the sales have still been used to offset FFP issues ?  Which your saying is point blank not allowed after the rule change in 2016 ? Or have I misunderstood 


It wasn't allowed before 2016 with the old FFP rules, but it is allowed since 2016 with the P&S rules we are now subject to.

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8 minutes ago, mogbad said:


It wasn't allowed before 2016 with the old FFP rules, but it is allowed since 2016 with the P&S rules we are now subject to.


hahaah yeah , just re-read the posts , this whole thing is just over my head I can’t be doing with it 

 

What happened to just supporting your team playing football 

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8 minutes ago, Royal_D said:


But whichever way these deals were done , the sales have still been used to offset FFP issues ?  Which your saying is point blank not allowed after the rule change in 2016 ? Or have I misunderstood 

Yes, you've got it the wrong way round. It was point blank not allowed under the old FFP rules but is point blank allowed in the new P&S rules

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3 minutes ago, HarrowbyOwl said:

Yes, you've got it the wrong way round. It was point blank not allowed under the old FFP rules but is point blank allowed in the new P&S rules


Yeah fair one , literally can’t be bothered with the whole thing anymore 

 

Still feel the EFL have to make it stick for the supposed ‘integrity’ of the competition ,  just flippingget on with it and let’s move on even if it is from

League One 

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17 minutes ago, Royal_D said:


Yeah fair one , literally can’t be bothered with the whole thing anymore 

 

Still feel the EFL have to make it stick for the supposed ‘integrity’ of the competition ,  just flippingget on with it and let’s move on even if it is from

League One 

Yes, the stakes are high - a lot riding on the outcome for us and the EFL

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16 hours ago, Harrysgame said:

Could be wrong but almost sounds like you think we shouldn't be challenging. If it's wrong it's wrong. What the EFL should have done was have clear rules that don't leave any wriggle room. And none of this up to so many points etc just be clear do this 9 points or do that 22 points etc. Anything else just smacks of self interest. Having club reps who could benefit from any deductions is just made for self interest in high punishments.

There is clear rules for breaking ffp/p&s. Think its a sliding scale starting at 12 points depending on how much you go over the 39m limit. The other 9 points I believe is the maximum punishment for misconduct 

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On 25/02/2020 at 06:25, sherlyegg said:

Don't think I have blamed gibson per se, although he is a w@ nker.

My main issue is that you appear to be on his side.

Without even knowing the result of the enquiry.

 

The best we can hope for is getting off on a technicality. 
 

The way we have been run is shambolic.  

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45 minutes ago, teddybeararmy said:

There is clear rules for breaking ffp/p&s. Think its a sliding scale starting at 12 points depending on how much you go over the 39m limit. The other 9 points I believe is the maximum punishment for misconduct 

Birmingham were deducted 9 points so 12 points is not the starting point it rather is the maximum. Unfortunately, I believe up to another 9 points can be added for what is termed 'aggravation' which I'm assuming will apply if DC is found guilty of 'cooking the books' with his back dating of the sale.   

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6 minutes ago, Beauchief Owl said:

Birmingham were deducted 9 points so 12 points is not the starting point it rather is the maximum. Unfortunately, I believe up to another 9 points can be added for what is termed 'aggravation' which I'm assuming will apply if DC is found guilty of 'cooking the books' with his back dating of the sale.   

Sorry I ment 12 was the maximum sliding down, I believe Birmingham got 7 for the p&s breach 3 for misconduct with 1 suspended for compliance. 

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1 hour ago, kingsidney said:

The best we can hope for is getting off on a technicality
 

The way we have been run is shambolic.  

 

Yep, that's what I said last week. The overall picture is a damning indictment of the decisions Chansiri has made over the years. If we're hit hard and face further embargoes or possibly relegation, I don't think he'd regain the fans' trust. 

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14 minutes ago, teddybeararmy said:

Sorry I ment 12 was the maximum sliding down, I believe Birmingham got 7 for the p&s breach 3 for misconduct with 1 suspended for compliance. 

Yes, that sounds about right. I think they were deducted the extra points re a player they signed for over a million whilst in an embargo.

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I think the EFL have lost this case. 

 

Didn't the lawyer put the case  on his website then remove it? Usually they only put cases on they win. 

 

And putting two and two together and living in hope :biggrin:

 

The case was a week or so ago, the players know the result and a sudden up turn in form and results since the hearing like it's a relief and they can crack on with the season knowing there is no deduction coming. :ph34r:

 

But I actually do think the EFL have lost this, whether they can appeal I don't know. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Road Runner said:

I think the EFL have lost this case. 

 

Didn't the lawyer put the case  on his website then remove it? Usually they only put cases on they win. 

 

And putting two and two together and living in hope :biggrin:

 

The case was a week or so ago, the players know the result and a sudden up turn in form and results since the hearing like it's a relief and they can crack on with the season knowing there is no deduction coming. :ph34r:

 

But I actually do think the EFL have lost this, whether they can appeal I don't know. 

 

 

Thought that was our lawyer? 

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