0114 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Owlinmad said: I agree but last night was a very good example of centre forward play from Moore. Not really. If Borner doesn’t drop deep and stays in line with the defence he’s offside. Average stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Claw Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ash76 said: Watch the Blackburn game ffs ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Claw Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 you guys not going Saturday then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlinmad Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, 0114 said: Not really. If Borner doesn’t drop deep and stays in line with the defence he’s offside. Average stuff. I was talking about his whole performance not just the one example. Moore ran our back line ragged, especially second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 It is hard to believe that this is the same set of players who won so convincingly 4-0 at Nottingham Forest just before Christmas. On that day we had Iorfa and Lees in the middle of the back four and Borner came on as a late sub. I would personally go back to this. Lees has been a fine CB for us for a number of years and I wonder if this role of coming on as a sub has in some way unsettled him. It also means that Lees captains the side (Bannan is no captain as shown by his constant screaming at others). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillyno9 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Lees worse than borner all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Owls Loyal said: It is hard to believe that this is the same set of players who won so convincingly 4-0 at Nottingham Forest just before Christmas. On that day we had Iorfa and Lees in the middle of the back four and Borner came on as a late sub. I would personally go back to this. Lees has been a fine CB for us for a number of years and I wonder if this role of coming on as a sub has in some way unsettled him. It also means that Lees captains the side (Bannan is no captain as shown by his constant screaming at others). Disagree on Lees. Since Loovens has left I think he’s actually been quite poor. Doesn’t seem to have any confidence to me, hardly what you want from club captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew6666 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 54 minutes ago, Owlinmad said: All the squad is quite average. That is why we are mid table. Unfortunately many of our fans seem to think we are, or should be, better than we are. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I take what you are saying but in the run of games prior to Christmas we had a stable Iorfa-Lees cb partnership against: Charlton Athletic Brentford Derby County Notts Forest Bristol City In those five games we conceded just 3 goals and earned 13 points. Iorfa and Lees looked a very strong and stable partnership at centre back at that time. Recently we have looked very weak defensively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Last few games hes been poo. He was awful v Bburn and got subbed didnt he ? Overrated bigtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Playing centre back is about creating a strong partnership who know each others' games in and out. We had great pairings with Lees & Loovens also Lees & Hector. I think there were signs before Christmas that Lees & Iorfa could develop a sound understanding too. I am not blaming Borner but I think a spell on the bench might be for the best after his recent performances. We need to find a solid CB partenership very urgently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy30 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Borner has the passion which fans love but the guy switches off so often. Both goals yesterday . I’d be getting hutch at centre half with big Dom . We are crying out for a tank in middle tho. Have been since we lost to hull . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 We need to stop chopping and changing at the back. Monk is so damn stupid sometimes. Case in point... Fox gets injured so we then change 3 of the back 4 positions, instead of just putting Reach in there. Every manager I ever played under at a good level would do everything possible to minimize the amount of changes to the side when dealing with unforeseen substitutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 He was one of the best centre backs in the league a few weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: I take what you are saying but in the run of games prior to Christmas we had a stable Iorfa-Lees cb partnership against: Charlton Athletic Brentford Derby County Notts Forest Bristol City In those five games we conceded just 3 goals and earned 13 points. Iorfa and Lees looked a very strong and stable partnership at centre back at that time. Recently we have looked very weak defensively. Yep Iorfa and Lees with Palmer and Fox for me at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lomas613 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Wtf do we do at this club do we decide each week which player has got the target on his head to be the blame omg jeeeees borner has been the most consistent player we've had this year he cant be perfect 100% of time now if he was consistently bad then I understand but omg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I am not anti Borner. Like others I like the way he goes in aggressively on opposition forward players but in recent games he has been getting caught out in both his marking and positional play. We have to get back to Lees and Iorfa and see if a sound partnership can develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the mighty wednesday Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, tomhollywood said: It's no coincidence that Lees comes on and we concede 2 in my opinion. I think it is more to do with not having anyone that can or wants to tackle in midfield or out wide and forwards that have no ability to hold the ball up. The defence were constantly under pressure with no defensive shape in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Börner struggles to turn and his recovery is poor. He’s great at some things, but those above are definite weaknesses. Thats why him and Iorfa are the perfect blend. I like Tom Lees too - he is a good solid defender but Börner just has more about him on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 He’s been off the boil recently, but I still think he’s a good defender. Our defending has been woeful for some of the goals recently, but I don’t think they’re the root cause - our midfield is non existent and does very little when trying to defend a ball. Players just glide past us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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