Salmonbones Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Actually I got it wrong, Bosman didn't change contracts, he just changed the fact your registration to play could be released after a contract. However what I say is still true. Did he become what you say? I don't know, history does not remember him that way only that he changed the face of football forever for the benefit of mainly Football agents, although a few will wrongly argue for the benefit of footballers themselves. My argument is that right now, if I call in sick I get the first three days unpaid and following that I get the bare minimum. These players get full whack, and truth be known - an awful lot we have had down at S6 1SW have absolutely taken the proverbial and everyone knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Salmonbones said: Actually I got it wrong, Bosman didn't change contracts, he just changed the fact your registration to play could be released after a contract. However what I say is still true. Did he become what you say? I don't know, history does not remember him that way only that he changed the face of football forever for the benefit of mainly Football agents, although a few will wrongly argue for the benefit of footballers themselves. My argument is that right now, if I call in sick I get the first three days unpaid and following that I get the bare minimum. These players get full whack, and truth be known - an awful lot we have had down at S6 1SW have absolutely taken the proverbial and everyone knows it. I can't really remember Corky, a long time ago. Just seem to remember he was of the few individuals who didn't actually do very well out of the whole thing and ended up a skint outcast. As I said I remember an interview he did and he just seemed really resentful of the football world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 hours ago, McRightSide said: Westwood was injured and Dawson currently has the shirt and is doing fine. Westwood is back and fit, but Dawson is keeping him out of the side at present. Whats the issue? So he will be on the bench tomorrow? Let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, JOCOWl said: Think the issue is there's a perception that Westwood is declaring himself not fit when it comes to sitting on the bench. If there are pictures of him in training and he is back fit then he should be in the squad tomorrow and sat on the bench. If he's not available for selection then it needs sorting. If all this is true then it will be a shame as some people will remember him for this and not the brilliant keeper that he has been for us. Im sure if he’s fit he’ll be on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Fernando refuses to play- hang him Westwood refuses to sit on bench-great servant ,great guy Owlstalk logic Too many big time Charlie's screwing this club and some people happy to supply the lube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, WelshOwl74 said: Fernando refuses to play- hang him Westwood refuses to sit on bench-great servant ,great guy Owlstalk logic Too many big time Charlie's screwing this club and some people happy to supply the lube I'll give you maybe Nano and at a push Westy. Who are the other big time Charlie's screwing the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Absolute load of garbage gets spouted on here , there’s little point in Westwood been on the bench really when Wildsmith can be involved , No evidence whatsoever of dummy spitting why our fans love to try and create issues where there isn’t one is beyond me If we wanna question anyone’s commitment it isn’t Keiren Westwood we should be looking at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Flog him for 1-2 mill as long as we can lock down Dawson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I hate threads like this. Why are people slagging off the best keeper we’ve had since Pressman? Every one knows my feelings on the keeper situation. Westwood is a much better goalkeeper than Dawson. Anyone who can’t see that in my opinion is a fool. However, and this is an important point. Dawson has come into the team after some poor showings from Westwood. Since then he’s been VERY good. Starting teams should be picked on FORM not names. Therefore, Dawson DESERVES the shirt. Now I highly doubt that Westy is refusing to play but even if he is, that is still giving Wildsmith some bench experience. If I was Westy I would probably be slightly upset and asking for a transfer but like all the other dumb rumors, we don’t know if that is true either. Here’s a novel idea. Let’s support Dawson 100 per cent. Then if Westwood does come back in, let’s do the same for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyCroppersHair Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Dawson is going to be our number 1 for the next 5 years plus, unless someone comes in with a silly offer for him (as long as he signs a new contract obviously) as good as Westwood is/has been, Dawson is now our main keeper and rightly so imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 6 hours ago, WelshOwl74 said: Fernando refuses to play- hang him Westwood refuses to sit on bench-great servant ,great guy Owlstalk logic Too many big time Charlie's screwing this club and some people happy to supply the lube Cough cough Paxo cough cough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 15 hours ago, SiJ said: Call it a hunch, but I don't think Westwood is overly happy sitting on the bench right now. Agreed but at 34 and after his embarrassing performances this season he should be big enough and man enough to suck it up and help the team as and when required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Kagoshimaowl said: I hate threads like this. Why are people slagging off the best keeper we’ve had since Pressman? Every one knows my feelings on the keeper situation. Westwood is a much better goalkeeper than Dawson. Anyone who can’t see that in my opinion is a fool. However, and this is an important point. Dawson has come into the team after some poor showings from Westwood. Since then he’s been VERY good. Starting teams should be picked on FORM not names. Therefore, Dawson DESERVES the shirt. Now I highly doubt that Westy is refusing to play but even if he is, that is still giving Wildsmith some bench experience. If I was Westy I would probably be slightly upset and asking for a transfer but like all the other dumb rumors, we don’t know if that is true either. Here’s a novel idea. Let’s support Dawson 100 per cent. Then if Westwood does come back in, let’s do the same for him. Westwood was a better keeper than Dawson . He isn’t now . He’s also getting worse whilst Dawson is getting better . Only a fool would have Westwood ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCOWl Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 7 hours ago, McRightSide said: Im sure if he’s fit he’ll be on the bench Hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, james o connor said: Westwood was a better keeper than Dawson . He isn’t now . He’s also getting worse whilst Dawson is getting better . Only a fool would have Westwood ahead Wholeheartedly disagree but that’s what opinions are about. You have yours and I have mine. Also a goalkeeper coach myself I can say without doubt Westwood is the more talented keeper. However, as I said Dawson is improving, and is also still very young for a keeper so could in theory get much better. If I was the manager I personally wouldn’t have dropped Westwood in the first place but he did and Dawson took his chance with both hands. The solution is simple; if Dawson signs his new contract in January we could then look to move Westy on for a fee. However, if Cameron doesn’t sign in the next two weeks I’d sell him to the highest bidder and reinstate Westwood. We certainly don’t need both of them as Wildsmith should be the number 2. Edited January 18, 2020 by Kagoshimaowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superowls23 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Love Westwood been brilliant for us, but you only have to look at his Ireland career and comments from Martin O'Neill to realise that he does what he wants when he wants. Ruled himself out over xmas didn't he and Monk made sure he got those exact words into his press conference that day "ruled himself out". Monk didn't have to say that, he wanted it to be clear to the fans. So brilliant for us, but I dont get the whole "why are people making stuff up just to slag him off", they aren't, all the evidence is there and has been for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 11 hours ago, Salmonbones said: Actually I got it wrong, Bosman didn't change contracts, he just changed the fact your registration to play could be released after a contract. However what I say is still true. Did he become what you say? I don't know, history does not remember him that way only that he changed the face of football forever for the benefit of mainly Football agents, although a few will wrongly argue for the benefit of footballers themselves. My argument is that right now, if I call in sick I get the first three days unpaid and following that I get the bare minimum. These players get full whack, and truth be known - an awful lot we have had down at S6 1SW have absolutely taken the proverbial and everyone knows it. Spot on. They have too much power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, superowls23 said: Love Westwood been brilliant for us, but you only have to look at his Ireland career and comments from Martin O'Neill to realise that he does what he wants when he wants. Ruled himself out over xmas didn't he and Monk made sure he got those exact words into his press conference that day "ruled himself out". Monk didn't have to say that, he wanted it to be clear to the fans. So brilliant for us, but I dont get the whole "why are people making stuff up just to slag him off", they aren't, all the evidence is there and has been for years. His Ireland career or lack of it is widely known and accepted. If he wasn't guaranteed a start, he was interested in travelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, superowls23 said: Ruled himself out over xmas didn't he and Monk made sure he got those exact words into his press conference that day "ruled himself out". Monk didn't have to say that, he wanted it to be clear to the fans. Exactly. He also mentioned that Westwood dictates as to when he is fit. It's absolutely ridiculous. Great keeper, or was,but the guy takes the wee wee. Ask Martin O'Neil. Apparently he is fit.... One guesses he will not be on the bench today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewsburyowl58 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 12 hours ago, Salmonbones said: Actually I got it wrong, Bosman didn't change contracts, he just changed the fact your registration to play could be released after a contract. However what I say is still true. Did he become what you say? I don't know, history does not remember him that way only that he changed the face of football forever for the benefit of mainly Football agents, although a few will wrongly argue for the benefit of footballers themselves. My argument is that right now, if I call in sick I get the first three days unpaid and following that I get the bare minimum. These players get full whack, and truth be known - an awful lot we have had down at S6 1SW have absolutely taken the proverbial and everyone knows it. I don’t , I get 6 months full pay on the sick and my work isn’t a contact sport where injuries are commonplace some career threatening. Yes the rewards are fantastic , far too much really but it’s no fun being out injured and in constant pain either . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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