Wednesday_Jack Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, CF83OWL said: Some fans just dont get it do they...... 1. Westwood will never play for us again. 2. Dawson is number one all season because Jos said so. The only way Wildsmith will play is if Jos leaves. End of thread. Fancy having an opinion on something!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, WayneTheOwl said: Wildsmith has been the better keeper of the two since they both emerged. That's not what people we're saying towards the end of last season. As many others have said, there's only so much Dawson can do with a leaky defence. Swapping him for Wildsmith won't change that. probably better to persist with him, coach him, and try and make him a better all round keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said: This isn't a 'get Westwood back in' thread, because it's clearly not going to happen under this manager, and I suspect he'll now be some way off match fitness anyway. Are we in a position now though where Wildsmith should be getting his chance? We are obviously going to persist with playing the ball out from the back, but I'm yet to see Dawson pick out a decent pass to a midfielder or forward where he cuts out the opposition's pressing forwards. I can't see that Dawson has the ability to hit a flatter goal kick to start a counter attack. I'm also unconvinced by his ability to bowl the ball out, yet his distribution is supposedly the reason he's been preferred. I appreciate Dawson hasn't dropped any huge clanger and has apparently made more saves than any other keeper in the division (I'm guessing mainly because he's faced way more shots on target). Unfortunately however the confidence of the defence is at an all time low, and a change may be required to alter the psyche. Time for Wildsmith for me. The constant banging on about Dawson having made the most saves in the division proves how deluded some of our fans are. Whilst it says nothing bad about Dawson it certainly says a lot about where we stand as a team. Yet it’s spin doctored into a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belfast owl lad Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Does anyone know why DC has made Westwood an outcast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said: This isn't a 'get Westwood back in' thread, because it's clearly not going to happen under this manager, and I suspect he'll now be some way off match fitness anyway. Are we in a position now though where Wildsmith should be getting his chance? We are obviously going to persist with playing the ball out from the back, but I'm yet to see Dawson pick out a decent pass to a midfielder or forward where he cuts out the opposition's pressing forwards. I can't see that Dawson has the ability to hit a flatter goal kick to start a counter attack. I'm also unconvinced by his ability to bowl the ball out, yet his distribution is supposedly the reason he's been preferred. I appreciate Dawson hasn't dropped any huge clanger and has apparently made more saves than any other keeper in the division (I'm guessing mainly because he's faced way more shots on target). Unfortunately however the confidence of the defence is at an all time low, and a change may be required to alter the psyche. Time for Wildsmith for me. Dawson: no clangers and average distribution. Wildsmith: track record of clangers and awful distribution Yeah, that’s the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maxine Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, CF83OWL said: Some fans just dont get it do they...... 1. Westwood will never play for us again. 2. Dawson is number one all season because Jos said so. The only way Wildsmith will play is if Jos leaves. End of thread. Go and have a nice cuppa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, S36 OWL said: Correct. You need to point the finger at the owner for the Westwood situation. Unless his omission is in fact Westwood's fault entirely. Rumours of him being a nob in the dressing room didn't randomly appear overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 42 minutes ago, belfast owl lad said: Does anyone know why DC has made Westwood an outcast? My personal opinion is that KW was told he wasn't going to be kept after this season, so he spit dummy out and was ostracised for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, Pale Rider said: The constant banging on about Dawson having made the most saves in the division proves how deluded some of our fans are. Whilst it says nothing bad about Dawson it certainly says a lot about where we stand as a team. Yet it’s spin doctored into a positive. It shows that the fault in our team lies in the defenders, and not Dawson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: It shows that the fault in our team lies in the defenders, and not Dawson. I said no fault with Dawson however it’s not the solely the defences responsibility to defend. The real issue is however Dross’ tactical decision to sit back and invite teams onto us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 3 hours ago, S36 OWL said: Correct. You need to point the finger at the owner for the Westwood situation. Or possibly point it at Westwood himself ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 What would happen if we brought westwood back and then still lost 3-0??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 4 hours ago, CF83OWL said: Some fans just dont get it do they...... 1. Westwood will never play for us again. 2. Dawson is number one all season because Jos said so. The only way Wildsmith will play is if Jos leaves. End of thread. you forgot number 3) jos will crack as more sh*t hits the fan, and it's looking more likely to hit the fan, than it is to miss it. a poor out of it's depth side will pull results out now and again, but eventually with increasing numbers of defeats will come yet more defeats as confidence erodes and any belief is lost. i'm not sure in the last couple of games that we haven't just started to turn that corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HirstWhoScoredIt Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 He won’t drop Dawson for one simple reason:- He’s playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 3 hours ago, bladeshater said: I think what's in front of Dawson is more the problem weak midfield and defence needs sorting I agree. Our defence this season has been a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 5 hours ago, WayneTheOwl said: Wildsmith has been the better keeper of the two since they both emerged. Why Dawson has not been dropped to give him a chance I have no idea. Given the fact that everyone else Dawson has been dropped at some point and he hasn’t just sums up he management skills of Jos! Posts like this make me think 'WOW' and baffles me. Wildsmith has made NUMEROUS errors since he came into the side and has cost us games, no doubt. Dawson came in for cup games and the last few league games and looked solid and deservedly got the No1 shirt. Obviously we haven't kept a clean sheet but I fail to see how it can be levelled at Dawson, it's clear to anyone watching that the defending in front of him has been poor. Dawson has kept goal well and saved us from bigger defeats at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneTheOwl Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Just now, mark77 said: Posts like this make me think 'WOW' and baffles me. Wildsmith has made NUMEROUS errors since he came into the side and has cost us games, no doubt. Dawson came in for cup games and the last few league games and looked solid and deservedly got the No1 shirt. Obviously we haven't kept a clean sheet but I fail to see how it can be levelled at Dawson, it's clear to anyone watching that the defending in front of him has been poor. Dawson has kept goal well and saved us from bigger defeats at times. Dawson is nowhere near as good as Wildsmith. Any goalkeeper that fails to command a 6 yard box may as well give up. His decision making and judgement for crosses etc is just about the worst I have seen from any Wednesday goalkeeper since 1988. He has a lot to learn. Frustrating that he’s keeping our Wildsmith and Westwood (the latter is only financial related as no sane manager would ever put Dawson ahead of Westwood). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, WayneTheOwl said: Dawson is nowhere near as good as Wildsmith. Any goalkeeper that fails to command a 6 yard box may as well give up. His decision making and judgement for crosses etc is just about the worst I have seen from any Wednesday goalkeeper since 1988. He has a lot to learn. Frustrating that he’s keeping our Wildsmith and Westwood (the latter is only financial related as no sane manager would ever put Dawson ahead of Westwood). Have you seen Wildsmith keep goal??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 First two goals.... 1.05 1.30 2.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneTheOwl Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, mark77 said: Have you seen Wildsmith keep goal??? Yeh and 30 other keepers for us before him including Tidman. Everyone of them able to command a box better than him. Dawson’s strength is shot stopping but unfortunately that’s not going well either. Don’t get me started on his distribution !!! Overall Wildsmith is a better keeper. I’m not blaming him for what is happening - the rest of the team aren’t exactly pulling up any trees but if Jos the dros is going to change an entire back line then surely that has to include the goalkeeper!!! Edited October 28, 2018 by WayneTheOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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