hawksmore Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I’m sure all the players frozen out under this regime would probably disagree about the club being ‘too nice’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) what do you expect when dropping the experience to play kids. Edited October 24, 2018 by Mardy Bum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 5 hours ago, shezzas left peg said: Before jos came in with the previous regime Under Carlos sums us up and is one of the reasons we're in this mess.!! Sheffield wednesday - a NICE northern club. With a NICE honourable chap as owner, ,goes on about one big family. With NICE on the whole fans, few idiots, but generally good natured. With a NICE likeable manager,who's charming and says the right things (Carlos). With NICE neat tidy footballers... This was the problem for 3 years, we've just been too damn NICE!! for our own good, DC, was too nice and nieve and allowed advisors and hangers on have our pants down with transfers and contracts. Carlos signed nice, neat, tidy, very sporting footballers who weren't combative, outspoken or Fiery. Even when we the fans could see it all falling apart like a house of cards, we were too nice and still loved Carlos, wouldn't protest or openly complain (apart from on here). Thus were still left with a nieve chairman, who thinks he can just bumble along without the fans getting all upset and out on the pitch a leaderless bunch of nice guys who are good footballers, but don't have the mentality, drive or aggression to really dig in and get the job done when needed. This also means a really hard job for jos and it does make you think he's looked at the squad and thought "oh dear lord what do I do with this lot" so has turned to the kids to look for some aggression power, pace and above all passion to get stuck in and play. Nicely put mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Megson is the only manager we had who made us hard as nails and tough to beat. We had an identity and we bullied teams. The likes of Bannan, Winnall, Pudil, Westwood and Hutch are fiery characters. Forestieri is a poopydoo to opposition teams too. Don't think we are overly nice but I don't think we have had that edge about us since Megson left. Really need a horrible fool in midfield. We have done for ages. Hutch is the closest we've had to it. Someone who knows how to foul, get in the opponents face and can bully people. Have someone like that alongside Bannan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Forgot to mention Carlos' nice coats! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 7 hours ago, SiJ said: Yes. Generally speaking, we are a soft touch. Even when we are decent (2015 - 2017), I'd suggest we are quite flaky and prone to getting bullied. How often have we gone away from home and really put a team to the sword? Bullied them, outplayed them, over powered them? Hate to say it, but for whatever reason, United when they're half decent (now, under Colin), always have that edge to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The word is Stuffy not Nice and yes we are as a club. My sister who hates football, but had quite a bit to do with the club at some point, said the club is stuck up it's own @£$( and this was more than 30 years ago. Nothing has changed and some people have never known anything else. Unfortunately most people don't view criticism externally but from their own perspective; it's one of the great failings in human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 5 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: Megson is the only manager we had who made us hard as nails and tough to beat. We had an identity and we bullied teams. The likes of Bannan, Winnall, Pudil, Westwood and Hutch are fiery characters. Forestieri is a poopydoo to opposition teams too. Don't think we are overly nice but I don't think we have had that edge about us since Megson left. Really need a horrible fool in midfield. We have done for ages. Hutch is the closest we've had to it. Someone who knows how to foul, get in the opponents face and can bully people. Have someone like that alongside Bannan. Can't agree more bud. We need some rooster cogburn types, men with "True Gritt" we lack tenacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Mardy Bum said: what do you expect when dropping the experience to play kids. The kids have come in to be fair and showed more pace, passion and will to get stuck in than more than half the seasoned pros, as I said in my original post. Jo's has probably looked at what he inherited and had to work with, can't sign anyone, so has had to look at the kids to provide this, yes they're a bit raw and still inexperienced, but we need to add some real leadership in with them to help them through, help them grow as players and flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 You don't have to be nasty to prevent the other team space or pass the ball 20 yards. Lets face it when Hutch plays, we all know it's a red card waiting to happen, or giving free kicks away in dangerous positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnowl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Soft mentally and physically on the pitch yes. But it I don’t think anyone inside football would describe SWFC as a nice club. Cold to fomer players and employees, detached and indifferent when it comes to governance. we just don’t forge those lasting relationships with legends in the way other clubs can and do. At boardroom level I don’t think anyone would describe any of our owners for the last 30 years as nice: not the old guard, not Milan and his dealings and certainly not the current incumbent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 9 hours ago, SiJ said: Exactly. Only team I can think of which was physical is Megsons side. That’s why alot of people (including me) liked him. I don’t want to turn this into let’s bring him back thread as that stopped being remotely funny a long time ago. But imo we need someone to come in a do a similar job to what he did last time, ie come in clear the club out and get us going again *cue comments about Stevenage and chesterfield away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, doubleo said: You don't have to be nasty to prevent the other team space or pass the ball 20 yards. Lets face it when Hutch plays, we all know it's a red card waiting to happen, or giving free kicks away in dangerous positions. Prime example still fresh in the memory bud is the W. B. A game, if we'd have been less nice and dare I say It nieve, Barnes wouldn't have been allowed to run 40 yards unchecked or challenged and score the equaliser?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG_1984 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 We are always a bit too nice to returning players too. We also have a tendency to have love affairs with bang average players (eg. Sodje, Stevie May etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, doubleo said: You don't have to be nasty to prevent the other team space or pass the ball 20 yards. Lets face it when Hutch plays, we all know it's a red card waiting to happen, or giving free kicks away in dangerous positions. Agree ”too nice” is in the same bracket as “team spirit” - buzz words that actually mean nothing of any real note We just are not good enough at what we do or try to do to be a consistent team. Don’t remember Wolves having many nutters in their team last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, PeteG_1984 said: We are always a bit too nice to returning players too. We also have a tendency to have love affairs with bang average players (eg. Sodje, Stevie May etc). Thought you were talking about injured players. 'Yea Keiran and Gary, of course you can play, get out on that pitch and fill yer boots' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 14 hours ago, shezzas left peg said: Before jos came in with the previous regime Under Carlos sums us up and is one of the reasons we're in this mess.!! Sheffield wednesday - a NICE northern club. With a NICE honourable chap as owner, ,goes on about one big family. With NICE on the whole fans, few idiots, but generally good natured. With a NICE likeable manager,who's charming and says the right things (Carlos). With NICE neat tidy footballers... This was the problem for 3 years, we've just been too damn NICE!! for our own good, DC, was too nice and nieve and allowed advisors and hangers on have our pants down with transfers and contracts. Carlos signed nice, neat, tidy, very sporting footballers who weren't combative, outspoken or Fiery. Even when we the fans could see it all falling apart like a house of cards, we were too nice and still loved Carlos, wouldn't protest or openly complain (apart from on here). Thus were still left with a nieve chairman, who thinks he can just bumble along without the fans getting all upset and out on the pitch a leaderless bunch of nice guys who are good footballers, but don't have the mentality, drive or aggression to really dig in and get the job done when needed. This also means a really hard job for jos and it does make you think he's looked at the squad and thought "oh dear lord what do I do with this lot" so has turned to the kids to look for some aggression power, pace and above all passion to get stuck in and play. Never use to be a nice club on and off the pitch, At away grounds we was hated, if we wanted things changing at the club the crowd wasn't afraid to say it, Now we are just to scared to say anything in case we upset someone and they wont speak nicely about the club in the future, well personally i don't care what any ex employee or owner thinks of the club in the future if they aren't doing or didn't do a good enough job for Wednesday then they want telling And don't tell me being negative doesn't help the team, if we hadn't been negative to great stalwarts of Sheffield Wednesday in A) Peter Eustace, we'd have never had Ron Atkinson and the 5-6 magic years he and francis provided and B) in Chris Turner we'd have been in the fourth tier of english football Lets get nasty again as a fan base and a club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughdowd Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: Megson is the only manager we had who made us hard as nails and tough to beat. We had an identity and we bullied teams. The likes of Bannan, Winnall, Pudil, Westwood and Hutch are fiery characters. Forestieri is a poopydoo to opposition teams too. Don't think we are overly nice but I don't think we have had that edge about us since Megson left. Really need a horrible fool in midfield. We have done for ages. Hutch is the closest we've had to it. Someone who knows how to foul, get in the opponents face and can bully people. Have someone like that alongside Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughdowd Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Well said . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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