Hughthecone Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, HarryJ said: The Secret Footballer has also published a book about how psychology can be effective in football - "How to Win". It is a good read and has some use to normal humans leading a normal life. It will be wasted on quite a few on this site IMO then. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryJ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hughthecone said: It will be wasted on quite a few on this site IMO then. I see you've read the chapter on cynicism then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, pgmetcalf said: I struggle with the concept of a sports psychologist. You don't play golf I'm guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Plonk said: Read a book by the guy who is viewed as one of the best in his field. The book is called the chimp paradox but can’t remember his name. It’s a fantastic book that explains how the brain works. You don’t need to have mental health issues or be a top sports person to appreciate what he’s about. In every day life understanding how your brain works can have massive benifitd By Professor Steve Peters, think he works or has worked at Uni of Sheffield as well, but could be wrong. Great read in an understandable format. But what do them experts though *shakes fist at sky* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, alan48 said: Having worked in M H for many years I can assure you that good M H often has a bearing on performance , football or any other walk of life and obviously availability of a link to someone with a knowledge of social psychiatry and psychology has to be of benefit for everyone . It is dangerous to confuse the two areas of mental health and sports psychology. Mental health issues need to be addressed by qualified professionals, supported where appropriate with drugs to help certain conditions. And I agree with the need for all employers , like swfc, to put in a mental health strategy to support its workforce, with 3rd party specialist support. That is a totally different proposition than a sports psychologist who is a performance coach. As an example. A player has missed his last two penalties and is now gripped by fear of missing his next one. The keeper looks massive and the goal tiny. The sports psychologist is there to coach techniques to help the player to have a better chance to score his next penalty. If that same player is suffering from anorexia then that has absolutely no way someone who is effectively a performance coach should deal with it. It’s a mental health issue that needs qualified medical intervention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 55 minutes ago, HarryJ said: The Secret Footballer has also published a book about how psychology can be effective in football - "How to Win". It is a good read and has some use to normal humans leading a normal life. No good to us on here then 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, mcmigo said: It is dangerous to confuse the two areas of mental health and sports psychology. Mental health issues need to be addressed by qualified professionals, supported where appropriate with drugs to help certain conditions. And I agree with the need for all employers , like swfc, to put in a mental health strategy to support its workforce, with 3rd party specialist support. That is a totally different proposition than a sports psychologist who is a performance coach. As an example. A player has missed his last two penalties and is now gripped by fear of missing his next one. The keeper looks massive and the goal tiny. The sports psychologist is there to coach techniques to help the player to have a better chance to score his next penalty. If that same player is suffering from anorexia then that has absolutely no way someone who is effectively a performance coach should deal with it. It’s a mental health issue that needs qualified medical intervention. Was it Pressman ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, BRADDO said: Swfc Sports Psychologist to Abdi. Relax, close your eyes. I want you to picture putting on some football boots. That's it, good. Tie the laces. Good. Now, picture moving one foot in front of the other. Ok. Great. Now, imagine there's a football to your right. Pick it up and examine it. Do you remember what it looks and feels like? Oh! Nurse, call the ambulance. Almen has just slipped a disc picking up an imaginary football. Bugger. Oh well, only two more weeks.......... Is that a actually an attempt at humour ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 Does anyone know if we use any Sports psychologist? Think there is a place for it in all top level sports and actually think if it helps a sports person control emotions and concentrate on job in hand, think it will benefit them in life and could in deed prevent mental health issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan48 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Mcmigo doesnt realise you have to be a psychologist first - usually takes about 5 years to qualify .They may then specialise in clinical ,educational , criminal ,industrial ,etc , including sports psychology . But firstly they are Psychologists who choose to work with expertise in a particular field . All of which is entirely related to good mental health . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelman Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 hours ago, alan48 said: We have Chris Kirkland talking about his Mental Health problems in one thread and then Mcmigo dismissing the possible need for a sports psychologist as ' frippery '. Just shows how much we need a better understanding of M H issues . I'd say your comment highlights the need for a better understanding of MH issues my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, pgmetcalf said: I struggle with the concept of a sports psychologist. Me too, though maybe there could be a placebo effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 14 hours ago, alan48 said: Mcmigo doesnt realise you have to be a psychologist first - usually takes about 5 years to qualify .They may then specialise in clinical ,educational , criminal ,industrial ,etc , including sports psychology . But firstly they are Psychologists who choose to work with expertise in a particular field . All of which is entirely related to good mental health . To enter this line of work, you will need an undergraduate degree in a psychology-related subject which is accredited by the British Psychological Society (BPS) or the British Association of Sport and Exercise Sciences (BASES). Alternatively, if you complete an unrelated undergraduate degree, you will be required to complete a one-year conversion course. In order to become a chartered psychologist or accredited practitioner, you will then need to obtain a relevant postgraduate qualification. Sports and exercise psychologists are typically also required to register as members of the Health and Care Professions Council (HCPC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 15 hours ago, casbahowl said: Is that a actually an attempt at humour ? No it's just another post slagging our players off as per Saddo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) "Err, Mr Abdi, I really think it's more a physical thing, got nowt to do with yur noggin". " NEXT" "Ah Carlos, take a seat, this could take to some time". Edited October 11, 2018 by daleblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 13:08, room0035 said: Doris the tea lady allowed the players bourbons after training if they need a pick me up instead of the usual rich tea. I heard Abdi almost snapped his jaw in two trying to eat a hobnob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I fink we should forget this "psychology" mumbo jumbo an' get back to lifting the "Gypsy curse" on the club..bloody prioritise for a change.... Gotta go....wifes thrown me lucky heather in the bin again..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: I fink we should forget this "psychology" mumbo jumbo an' get back to lifting the "Gypsy curse" on the club..bloody prioritise for a change.... Gotta go....wifes thrown me lucky heather in the bin again..................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Hookowl said: Typical...Its the off hand manner we treat superstition that has led us to the pretty pass we are in at the moment..As I have said before..Mr Chansiri was correct about the monks an' stuff, but then places the "Golden Elephants" in the wrong position on The South...Its schoolboy stuff... I took note at the West Brom game the other night, walking down Parkfield Rd..The number of f.ookin' idiots steppin' on pavement cracks was bloody mind boggling, under ladders....walkin' UNDER!..not AROUND the road sign on the Lepp!!!...UNDER!!!..FFS! Its bloody basics.... I'm not against some "psychologist" helping the players and actually askin' if they really "wanted to sh *g their mum" or whatever, but I honestly think we are missing the whole point... You wander home of an evening after getting beat, and fans are trottin' out "ooh Dawson flaps, Why Nuhiu?..Wheres Hutch?....is abdi dead?"..When the main reason we f.ookin' lost is because they didn't look where they were puttin' their feet as they wandered into the place 2 hours previous... Has anyone yet..prayed to Odin for Kierons hip?...I bet not a one...Walked widdershins around the Kop triangle?...No? You all just tip up..willy nilly. talkin' tactics.......I'm virtually running this club on me own 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: Typical...Its the off hand manner we treat superstition that has led us to the pretty pass we are in at the moment..As I have said before..Mr Chansiri was correct about the monks an' stuff, but then places the "Golden Elephants" in the wrong position on The South...Its schoolboy stuff... I took note at the West Brom game the other night, walking down Parkfield Rd..The number of f.ookin' idiots steppin' on pavement cracks was bloody mind boggling, under ladders....walkin' UNDER!..not AROUND the road sign on the Lepp!!!...UNDER!!!..FFS! Its bloody basics.... I'm not against some "psychologist" helping the players and actually askin' if they really "wanted to sh *g their mum" or whatever, but I honestly think we are missing the whole point... You wander home of an evening after getting beat, and fans are trottin' out "ooh Dawson flaps, Why Nuhiu?..Wheres Hutch?....is abdi dead?"..When the main reason we f.ookin' lost is because they didn't look where they were puttin' their feet as they wandered into the place 2 hours previous... Has anyone yet..prayed to Odin for Kierons hip?...I bet not a one...Walked widdershins around the Kop triangle?...No? You all just tip up..willy nilly. talkin' tactics.......I'm virtually running this club on me own Ok I'm sorry, but I'm willing to make amends. How about if we get a few dozen supporters to sneak into the ground one night and turn the "Golden Elephants" around. We'd need a couple of dozen because they're too heavy for just you and me to lift. Then we could get some sand and cement dry mix in a gritter lorry and drive down Parkfield Rd scattering it all over the pavements. The next time it rains all the pavement cracks will disappear like magic. No cracks to walk on = no bad luck. Also we could change all the ladders to little step ladders that are too low to walk under. Well I might be able to get under because I'm only short, but I'll make a conscious effort to walk round. Do you think this will be enough to satisfy the football gods ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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