StudentOwl Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, latemodelchild said: He was offside when the ball was played forward so it does not matter that it hit Penney. Still think it was too long compared to what gets added on normally. I've seen plenty of games where there's been multiple subs and goals and there hasn't been that long. He added on a lot to give them a chance to equalise. Nothing will convince me otherwise. OK, but by the letter of the law it's 30 seconds per goal and substitution. 6 subs and 3 goals in that half = 9 lots of 30 seconds, which is four and a half minutes. Head injury for them was about two minutes. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" all you want, but by the letter of the law he added the correct amount of time on EDIT: also look at the Penney thing in slow motion. Their player tries to control the ball, Penney kicks the ball 20 yards to their striker. Not offside... the ball was never played forward by their player so he can't be offside from it. It is handball though. Edited October 8, 2018 by StudentOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 17 hours ago, Twaddle said: Only just noticed via looking at the highlights. The 1 on 1 with Dawson. Its handball from their striker I would say. You can also see Pudil having a go at the ref for this. The lino should have spotted it rather than the ref given their respective positioning. Yep, I was appealing for handball (as I knew he was onside). Clearly controlled the ball dead with his arm. Credit Dawson for keeping us in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scilly owl Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 All referees are talentless egomaniac cvntz who were single children that were bullied at school ... and for good reason cos they were geeky little tw•ts. Is that a bit harsh, we’ll I’m not saying sorry. Tw•ts. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sova Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, StudentOwl said: OK, but by the letter of the law it's 30 seconds per goal and substitution. 6 subs and 3 goals in that half = 9 lots of 30 seconds, which is four and a half minutes. Head injury for them was about two minutes. There were 5 subs in the half, and our opponents made a triple substitution (I don't know whether that makes any difference though; West Brom did the same the other day and we also made only two subs in the second half, but we got 7 minutes' added time then too). Edited October 8, 2018 by Sova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/apr/28/referees-home-team-sean-ingle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, scilly owl said: All referees are talentless egomaniac cvntz who were single children that were bullied at school ... and for good reason cos they were geeky little tw•ts. Is that a bit harsh, we’ll I’m not saying sorry. Tw•ts. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Situation is only going to get worse as the number of qualified refs reduces. Saw a tweet the other day from a local football association,somewhere in the south west iirc. It said that they had lost a load of young referees from the training programme due to threats of violence against them during and after matches. Threats were mainly coming from the parents of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm an Essex Owl Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 hours ago, StudentOwl said: OK, but by the letter of the law it's 30 seconds per goal and substitution. 6 subs and 3 goals in that half = 9 lots of 30 seconds, which is four and a half minutes. Head injury for them was about two minutes. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" all you want, but by the letter of the law he added the correct amount of time on EDIT: also look at the Penney thing in slow motion. Their player tries to control the ball, Penney kicks the ball 20 yards to their striker. Not offside... the ball was never played forward by their player so he can't be offside from it. It is handball though. "By the letter of the law" their lad should have had a straight red for the two footed studs raised challenge on Omomah at the end. "By the letter of the law" he should either have stopped the game immediately for the head injury to their lad or having played on for 2 and a half minuted to enable their attack to complete (and presumably having concluded it was not a serious head injury) he should have allowed us to play on when we counter attacked. And the "by the letter of the law" re time added on it I really struggle to see hoew this can be the letter of the law as no referee ever applies that consistently in any match I see. Out of interest (and my ignorance) which Law sets out the time that must be added on or is it really just a discretionary thing? I think the point is that the ref (like all of them pretty much) played the "letter of the law" sometimes and not others. He was wildly inconsistent and thus crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I thought the ball just hit penney on the way through. Will watch it again soon. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Apologies, looks like it was penney that played it forward or deflected it forward. So now I'm saying it was handball and the ref let it go because he was determined to stop us winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramhall Owl Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 08/10/2018 at 14:47, StudentOwl said: OK, but by the letter of the law it's 30 seconds per goal and substitution. 6 subs and 3 goals in that half = 9 lots of 30 seconds, which is four and a half minutes. Head injury for them was about two minutes. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" all you want, but by the letter of the law he added the correct amount of time on EDIT: also look at the Penney thing in slow motion. Their player tries to control the ball, Penney kicks the ball 20 yards to their striker. Not offside... the ball was never played forward by their player so he can't be offside from it. It is handball though. I'm pretty sure that there isn't a Law covering this. The 30 seconds per substitution is referred to by lazy commentators as the law/rule, whereas it's more an assumption that's how long it takes (although when FF got subbed v Leeds 2/3 years ago and they had a goal 'chalked off', it took him about 3 mins). And, as pointed out elsewhere, they did a triple substitution so should only have taken 30 secs, maybe 45 to allow for the message to get across to thick footballers that 3 were actually being substituted at once. I agree that their striker wasn't offside although that doesn't negate the handball which the ref conveniently missed. Speaking of poor refs, did you use the see the pen not given to Newcastle at Manure on Sunday for handball, the ref wasn't even looking at the ball so he even gave a goalkick. Shocking.....and that's in the Prem!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Bramhall Owl said: I'm pretty sure that there isn't a Law covering this. The 30 seconds per substitution is referred to by lazy commentators as the law/rule, whereas it's more an assumption that's how long it takes (although when FF got subbed v Leeds 2/3 years ago and they had a goal 'chalked off', it took him about 3 mins). And, as pointed out elsewhere, they did a triple substitution so should only have taken 30 secs, maybe 45 to allow for the message to get across to thick footballers that 3 were actually being substituted at once. I agree that their striker wasn't offside although that doesn't negate the handball which the ref conveniently missed. Speaking of poor refs, did you use the see the pen not given to Newcastle at Manure on Sunday for handball, the ref wasn't even looking at the ball so he even gave a goalkick. Shocking.....and that's in the Prem!! Been trying to find the clip without luck. Saw one the other day foul at least 2 yards inside the box ref got a perfect view about 10 yards away. Blows for the foul and gives it at the edge of the box no penalty. Edited October 9, 2018 by darra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just watched game again. Thinking of referee can someone tell me if R Sole is a not approved word on Owlstalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 07/10/2018 at 16:18, quinnssweetshop said: Instructed by the EFL more like.... they hate us. Good grief man ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast of Boulogne Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 08/10/2018 at 14:47, StudentOwl said: OK, but by the letter of the law it's 30 seconds per goal and substitution. 6 subs and 3 goals in that half = 9 lots of 30 seconds, which is four and a half minutes. Head injury for them was about two minutes. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la" all you want, but by the letter of the law he added the correct amount of time on EDIT: also look at the Penney thing in slow motion. Their player tries to control the ball, Penney kicks the ball 20 yards to their striker. Not offside... the ball was never played forward by their player so he can't be offside from it. It is handball though. la la la Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbo48 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 08/10/2018 at 20:11, steelowl said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/apr/28/referees-home-team-sean-ingle So how come that doesn’t work when we’re at home ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 hours ago, darra said: Been trying to find the clip without luck. Saw one the other day foul at least 2 yards inside the box ref got a perfect view about 10 yards away. Blows for the foul and gives it at the edge of the box no penalty. Sure it was a Wimbledon game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, coopswfc76 said: Sure it was a Wimbledon game. Could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Found it. Was Wimbledon will try and post the video later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramhall Owl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 09/10/2018 at 18:57, darra said: Been trying to find the clip without luck. Saw one the other day foul at least 2 yards inside the box ref got a perfect view about 10 yards away. Blows for the foul and gives it at the edge of the box no penalty. At least he gave the foul....which is a vast improvement on some refs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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