Mr. Tom Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Watson said: But believers also claim their belief is the truth. In cases where that's true, yeah they've both got a duty to 'prove' it. If they care to, and if they want any real chance of convincing their opponent. I guess what i was getting at was akin to the burden of proof in scientific theories generally - for a claim in science to be 'true', you have to prove it will be true EVERY TIME, in EVERY CASE, ad infinitum. For it to be debunked, it only has to be shown not to work once. You could say the same for either side of the argument around the existence of god(s), although it's far harder to prove something couldn't possibly exist than, due to lack of evidence either way, to agree that it might. I suppose what I'm saying is we've actually got the harder job, not the believers. They can just carry right on believing, and logically it's easier to defend, because nobody's going to be producing the smoking gun that proves anything either way anytime soon. Edited March 13, 2018 by Mr. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Cosby Blunkett said: You are confusing religion with spirituality. "Religion" is primarily a system of social control, it has very little to do with peoples' connections with divinity, despite all its pretence to the contrary. Organised religion has its roots in fear and ignorance. So I agree with your post. For the sake of mankind and social cohesion... let's hope we don't have a shocker at Leeds...UTO. WTF!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. Tom said: In cases where that's true, yeah they've both got a duty to 'prove' it. If they want to have a chance of convincing their opponent. I guess what i was getting at was akin to the burden of proof in scientific theories generally - for a claim science to be 'true', you have to prove it will be true EVERY TIME, in EVERY CASE, ad infinitum. For it to be debunked, it only has to be shown not to work once. You could say the same for either side of the argument around the existence of god(s), although it's far harder to prove something couldn't possibly exist than, due to lack of evidence either way, to agree that it might. I suppose what I'm saying is we've actually got the harder job, not the believers. They can just carry right on believing, because nobody's coming up with the smoking gun any time soon. The delusion s better than the reality 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Cosby Blunkett said: You are confusing religion with spirituality. "Religion" is primarily a system of social control, it has very little to do with peoples' connections with divinity, despite all its pretence to the contrary. Good point. Behave & believe or else. Stick a tenner in that plate while you're at it. The funniest thing is, by believing in God, you equally believe in the devil. Makes Disney look mundane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Watson said: The delusion s better than the reality You might very well be right. I wonder if I'll find god at the bottom of this bottle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Cosby Blunkett said: You are confusing religion with spirituality. "Religion" is primarily a system of social control, it has very little to do with peoples' connections with divinity, despite all its pretence to the contrary. Is that fact or your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Watson said: The delusion s better than the reality It was an interesting debate..but you had to call fellow fans delusional/deluded. WTF!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said: Good point. Behave & believe or else. Stick a tenner in that plate while you're at it. The funniest thing is, by believing in God, you equally believe in the devil. Makes Disney look mundane. Disney literally became popular because of that very narrative, just with Princes and Ogres instead. It's that fundamentally hardwired into us. Edited March 13, 2018 by Mr. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. Tom said: You might very well be right. I wonder if I'll find god at the bottom of this bottle? Are you drinking a spirit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said: Are you drinking a spirit? Wine. I mean Jesus Juice. edit: wait, no, that's something to do with Michael Jackson innit Edited March 13, 2018 by Mr. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukestheman82 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Watson said: Name ten wars caused by relgion? Can't name any caused by Relgion. I also can't name that many caused by Religion. However, surely it does'nt need me to suggest the conflicts created in the name of Religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, lukestheman82 said: Can't name any caused by Relgion. I also can't name that many caused by Religion. However, surely it does'nt need me to suggest the conflicts created in the name of Religion? Maybe they were fighting about how to spell it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. Tom said: Wine. I mean Jesus Juice. Bread & fish for all next then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssexOwl Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I do not care for "religion". It is a consummate piece of shyte that has created and maintained the evil in our World. Night. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukestheman82 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. Tom said: Maybe they were fighting about how to spell it That's easy done, to be fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Cosby Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Watson said: Is that fact or your opinion? I think it might be both, but this is Owlstalk where opinion always trumps fact, so you're best off calling it an opinion. Debate on morality, religion and ethics on here, seriously WTF!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Sonny said: #godisone Modern footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mr. Tom said: In cases where that's true, yeah they've both got a duty to 'prove' it. If they care to, and if they want any real chance of convincing their opponent. I guess what i was getting at was akin to the burden of proof in scientific theories generally - for a claim science to be 'true', you have to prove it will be true EVERY TIME, in EVERY CASE, ad infinitum. For it to be debunked, it only has to be shown not to work once. You could say the same for either side of the argument around the existence of god(s), although it's far harder to prove something couldn't possibly exist than, due to lack of evidence either way, to agree that it might. I suppose what I'm saying is we've actually got the harder job, not the believers. They can just carry right on believing, and logically it's easier to defend, because nobody's going to be producing the smoking gun that proves anything either way anytime soon. Proof and logic are two words that are redundant in this debate. Belief systems rely on faith..faith can't exist without belief. There cannot be any burden of proof on a belief system. Sentience is the driver for modern doubt. This is what we should be debating... Why do we THINK? WTF!? And why do I write WTF!?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, TINKERBELL said: Gulf 1 Gulf 2 Vietnam Falklands Ww1 Ww2 Rokes drift Any help on other 3 Sorry to pick you up on this but this was started by a total dislike for a Scottish Band ... They are an aquired taste though I must admit ...... "Take me out" literally was taken out of context way back then ........ Edited March 13, 2018 by OWLERTON GHOST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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