McRightSide Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, sherlyegg said: Who was our MOM tonight (assuming we had one) cos he won't be playing Saturday I thought Reach did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, McRightSide said: Given that we spawned a goal in the first half and spent the rest of it under pressure. Consistently looked like we would concede whilst threatening nothing And then all of a sudden looked threatening when Joao, Reach and Nuhiu were playing...then yes, I think we'd have done better with a different side. Don't you? Or do you think we got the best result that we were capable of getting? I think we've got (and have had) a difficult run of games where the demands placed on an already thin squad (because of injuries) and Jos is entitled to pick who he wants..............he's the manager. On the game.........we got in front, doesn't matter how much pressure we were under........look at the Wigan game last night. Our downfall was too much playing around with the ball at the back and creating problems for ourselves, that's something that can be coached out of the players but they've had 2.5 years of management that taught them it was ok to do it week in week out........it'll take time. Of course we were capable of getting more out the game tonight but that's the unpredictability of football is it not? I'd sooner have what we can consider our best 11 (at the moment) out against Villa as it will be a much harder game in front of our own fans who also aren't the most forgiving when things don't quite go as planned. We may/may not have done better with the aforementioned players in the starting 11 but Jos calls it how he sees it from training, we call it from a keyboard. UTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Yes you do. Plays great against Swansea. Plays great for Gillingham. Gets dropped for a kid who can't get in the Port Vale side and is clearly out of his depth. Against Swansea do you dream things ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, hugeowl said: Against Swansea do you dream things ? If I'd dreamt that line up, it would have been a nightmare... Derby obvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfr142 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 53 minutes ago, TINKERBELL said: I'll be happy when summer comes and he get rid of the crap and there is a lot of crap Amd buy replacements with what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: I despair at some of our fans , i really do They’re not fans though are they .... really ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, WatfordOwl said: I think we've got (and have had) a difficult run of games where the demands placed on an already thin squad (because of injuries) and Jos is entitled to pick who he wants..............he's the manager. On the game.........we got in front, doesn't matter how much pressure we were under........look at the Wigan game last night. Our downfall was too much playing around with the ball at the back and creating problems for ourselves, that's something that can be coached out of the players but they've had 2.5 years of management that taught them it was ok to do it week in week out........it'll take time. Of course we were capable of getting more out the game tonight but that's the unpredictability of football is it not? I'd sooner have what we can consider our best 11 (at the moment) out against Villa as it will be a much harder game in front of our own fans who also aren't the most forgiving when things don't quite go as planned. We may/may not have done better with the aforementioned players in the starting 11 but Jos calls it how he sees it from training, we call it from a keyboard. UTO. No-one is saying he can't pick who he likes. No-one is saying he shouldn't rest players - but not for ALL the games! In the position we are in we should be focusing on beating the teams around us and viewing the teams like Villa as a bonus. My guess is that every away game under Jos we will set up to get a point. And he'll 'throw t'kids in' to keep the fans happy. Seems like some are buying it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Well it is nice to know that all we had to do was pick Joao to start and we would have won easily. That seems to be the assumption on here . Simple this management lark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, oldishowl said: Well it is nice to know that all we had to do was pick Joao to start and we would have won easily. That seems to be the assumption on here . Simple this management lark 100% Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldishowl said: Well it is nice to know that all we had to do was pick Joao to start and we would have won easily. That seems to be the assumption on here . Simple this management lark ...especially after the final whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, McRightSide said: No-one is saying he can't pick who he likes. No-one is saying he shouldn't rest players - but not for ALL the games! In the position we are in we should be focusing on beating the teams around us and viewing the teams like Villa as a bonus. My guess is that every away game under Jos we will set up to get a point. And he'll 'throw t'kids in' to keep the fans happy. Seems like some are buying it It's not ALL games though is it..........it's one. It's nailed on that what ever the line up was tonight, Jos would have been criticised by playing the same 11 v Swansea and then against Villa. 'Doesn't he realise the players are knackered?' or '3 games in 7 days'............take your pick on the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, oldishowl said: Well it is nice to know that all we had to do was pick Joao to start and we would have won easily. That seems to be the assumption on here . Simple this management lark Personally I'd rather take a gamble on playing tired players against Swansea than tonight against Millwall. We should have a fresh side for Villa and hopefully Swansea...but wtf do I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, WatfordOwl said: It's not ALL games though is it..........it's one. It's nailed on that what ever the line up was tonight, Jos would have been criticised by playing the same 11 v Swansea and then against Villa. 'Doesn't he realise the players are knackered?' or '3 games in 7 days'............take your pick on the thread title. 2 out of 2 games. 1 league, 1 cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, oldishowl said: Well it is nice to know that all we had to do was pick Joao to start and we would have won easily. That seems to be the assumption on here . Simple this management lark Not the point. We are missing a boat load of first team players at present, all injured. Despite this, he puts Reach, Pudil, Joao, Nuhui and Butterfield on the bench. Makes no sense at all. I’m all for ‘resting’ players, but what exactly are we ‘resting’ them for. The league is the priority. We should have rested the aforementioned on Saturday. He’s got the team sheets for Saturday and Wednesday mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, McRightSide said: 2 out of 2 games. 1 league, 1 cup. So who should he have picked v Swansea in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, vulva said: Not the point. We are missing a boat load of first team players at present, all injured. Despite this, he puts Reach, Pudil, Joao, Nuhui and Butterfield on the bench. Makes no sense at all. I’m all for ‘resting’ players, but what exactly are we ‘resting’ them for. The league is the priority. We should have rested the aforementioned on Saturday. He’s got the team sheets for Saturday and Wednesday mixed up. No idea how people are defending the line up tonight. I said before the game that I remember us beating Hull with 0 strikers - but we played with pace: Johnson, Helan and Antonio. Tonight we played with two aging midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldishowl said: Well it is nice to know that all we had to do was pick Joao to start and we would have won easily. That seems to be the assumption on here . Simple this management lark Not a question of management lark being simple or fans knowing best or João starting guaranteeing anything. It’s a question of probability. Please be completely honest and tell us if when you saw tonight’s line up you believed it was likely we would win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, WatfordOwl said: So who should he have picked v Swansea in your opinion? I posted on here a lot - I had no problem with that line-up, as i thought he was prioritizing tonight. So tonight he should have played Reach, Pudil, Nuhiu, Joao and Clare If he was going to play the side tonight, then he should have played Joao against Swansea. To just deprioritize both games is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 This isn't about resting tired players though, this is about the fact that we didn't start with anyone capable of holding the ball up front. The ball kept coming back from about the 15th minute until they scored their second and we decided to put a striker on. Like the OP said, this is Jos's free hit, but let's not just try to suppose that this was a gamble that didn't work out. It was a truly baffling and awful team selection, and I just hope that future results and performances will render it easily and quickly forgotten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingleyOwl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 He was a very strange appointment in the first place. We needed some blood and thunder. A bit of guts and determination. Grit. In stead we get another manager who overly tinkers and plays ridiculously alternative formations which are clearly ineffective against fellow Championship sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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