BIG D Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) When Wilder gets the scrubbers into the play offs this season then I will accept him as a better manager than CC. Didnt we finish above all those managers bar Stam last season? Edited June 23, 2017 by BIG D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Wilder ???? He's not even in the top 10 in Sheffield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 10 hours ago, Finlux_Cup said: "bring me sunshine...." Are you ever fv.cking happy? Are your hands not sore from over clapping???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 11 hours ago, offalyowl said: Let's be fair about it, he has wasted 30 million and Stuart gray had nothing to work with and done a far better job Has he? I was under the impression that the money the club have spent in the last two seasons had transformed us from being a mid-table side into one capable of regular top-six finishes. We've spent decent money, but we're far from alone in that, and we were starting from a position in which at least half the Championship had a huge head-start in terms of investment in their squads over the past half-decade or so. To expect us to instantly rise to the top of the pile when up against teams who have been building for several years, or those with recent Premier League experience, money and squads, is a bit unrealistic in my opinion. I'd imagine the investment in a club like Fulham over the past decade dwarfs ours. The infrastructure, academy, technical team, scouting network etc... was funded by Premier League money and parachute payments. They may not have spent as heavily in the past two seasons, but we've been playing catch-up in a major way after the best part of two decades being left to wither on the vine. Too many fans want success yesterday and don't seem to be able to handle the idea that spending decent money on our team for the first time in a decade and a half isn't guaranteed to lead to instant success, especially when you factor in that several Championship clubs have outspent us in recent years, and we were playing catch up on half the division in terms of our starting point. If you'd have offered me consecutive playoff spots when Carlos first took over, I'd have snatched your hand off, as would many other Wednesday fans, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 13 hours ago, offalyowl said: I have to agree that Carlos doesn't deserve to be on that list, people can neg me but I don't care, he should have been gone after udders beat us in the semi final I will share some flack with you. Yes he should have gone after the dire negative approach to the semis. But he should have gone after Barnsley. We had fallen apart and we're dropping like a stone. He got very lucky. Injuries meant the team picked itself with everyone in their best positions, and we couldn't stop winning. Carlos got his players back and found a way to stop us winning. Ultra defensive football with several players squeezed into the team making us lop-sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando17 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 15 hours ago, james o connor said: Carlos has spunked loads of money and failed twice, why exactly would he be worthy of the top 10? reasonable point bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I see the Carlos outers have surfaced again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, ANDY said: I see the Carlos outers have surfaced again. Just when I think I'm over it I see something that reminds me Huddersfield are in the EPL and we're looking forward to a trip to Preston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 17 hours ago, I Love Sturrock said: He started with a team who'd just finished mid-table and already included current mainstays like Lees, Lee, Loovens, Hutchinson and Westwood. With the money given to him allied with the backing of a sensible Chairman, Carlos has had it easier than any manager in the Championship. I wouldn't even put him in the top 20 EFL managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 15 hours ago, scram said: Jokanovic hasn't spent much and did a superb job Just the £22m last season - assuming this is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Holmowl said: I will share some flack with you. Yes he should have gone after the dire negative approach to the semis. But he should have gone after Barnsley. We had fallen apart and we're dropping like a stone. He got very lucky. Injuries meant the team picked itself with everyone in their best positions, and we couldn't stop winning. Carlos got his players back and found a way to stop us winning. Ultra defensive football with several players squeezed into the team making us lop-sided. This must be up there with one of your worst posts ever. We had bad injuries all season but that doesn't seem to matter We would have beat Barnsley, who had a decent home record, but our centre half decided not to head a ball in the 93rd minute but the manager should got sacked Carlos was saying for a month that we needed our link players back. We get them back , he picks them but that's lucky Your hero Hooper then gets injured again, must be Carlos's fault he is not available for the Huddersfield games He plays your preferred midfield pair in the away game, they don't perform and it is Carlos's fault. The same players didn't perform at home. You need to start looking at the performance of certain players on the pitch more objectively . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, oldishowl said: This must be up there with one of your worst posts ever. We had bad injuries all season but that doesn't seem to matter We would have beat Barnsley, who had a decent home record, but our centre half decided not to head a ball in the 93rd minute but the manager should got sacked Carlos was saying for a month that we needed our link players back. We get them back , he picks them but that's lucky Your hero Hooper then gets injured again, must be Carlos's fault he is not available for the Huddersfield games He plays your preferred midfield pair in the away game, they don't perform and it is Carlos's fault. The same players didn't perform at home. You need to start looking at the performance of certain players on the pitch more objectively . Then when we're crying out for a goal he brings on Dave when we had Winnall on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Blue and white said: Then when we're crying out for a goal he brings on Dave when we had Winnall on the bench. I too would have brought Winnall on but nobody was moaning when he brought Dave on against Cardiff and made a big, positive impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Most of them on that list aren't fit to lace Carlos's jockstrap. Chris Wilder! Can I have a wear of them chains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 2 hours ago, oldishowl said: This must be up there with one of your worst posts ever. We had bad injuries all season but that doesn't seem to matter We would have beat Barnsley, who had a decent home record, but our centre half decided not to head a ball in the 93rd minute but the manager should got sacked Carlos was saying for a month that we needed our link players back. We get them back , he picks them but that's lucky Your hero Hooper then gets injured again, must be Carlos's fault he is not available for the Huddersfield games He plays your preferred midfield pair in the away game, they don't perform and it is Carlos's fault. The same players didn't perform at home. You need to start looking at the performance of certain players on the pitch more objectively . I don't want to discuss Carlos too long. But happy to come back once. He had selection dilemmas all season, except those six matches. Only two CMs were available. Bannan and Jones for the first four, then Bannan and Lee for the last two. No FF meant that he had to play two strikers, so only had to decide/rotate between Hooper, Fletch and Rhodes for the two shirts. As soon as he got the selection dilemmas back he got it very badly wrong. As for my preferred midfield, you are saying that a nil-nil draw away to the promoted side is a way to judge Lee and Bannan negatively? Tactics that day were awful. But that's it from me on Carlos. I wanted him out after Barnsley. I predicted he would chicken out, and sadly he did. But he is here to stay, so lets hope that all of those who wanted him to stay but with changes to his approach, get their wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Holmowl said: I don't want to discuss Carlos too long. But happy to come back once. He had selection dilemmas all season, except those six matches. Only two CMs were available. Bannan and Jones for the first four, then Bannan and Lee for the last two. No FF meant that he had to play two strikers, so only had to decide/rotate between Hooper, Fletch and Rhodes for the two shirts. As soon as he got the selection dilemmas back he got it very badly wrong. As for my preferred midfield, you are saying that a nil-nil draw away to the promoted side is a way to judge Lee and Bannan negatively? Tactics that day were awful. But that's it from me on Carlos. I wanted him out after Barnsley. I predicted he would chicken out, and sadly he did. But he is here to stay, so lets hope that all of those who wanted him to stay but with changes to his approach, get their wish. It is not quite as simple as " when certain players play well they are brilliant but when they play badly it is the managers fault " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darklord Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Wilder? Has he ever managed a championship game? Like saying Wagner is the best manager in the premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, offalyowl said: Let's be fair about it, he has wasted 30 million and Stuart gray had nothing to work with and done a far better job Lets analyse your assertion Forestieri £3m not wasted so presumably you'll amend your post to £27m Hooper £3.5m not wasted so .............................."....................................£23.5m Reach £5m i don't think wasted ..........................."...................................£18.5m Jack Hunt £1m ......................................................"...................................£17.5m D. Pudil £1.7m ........................................................"...................................£15.8m Abdi £4m juries still out so not wasted yet ......................".......................£11.8m Rhodes £10m he's been here 10 minutes .....................".......................£1.8m Personally i don't think any of the above are "wasted" maybe you disagree On top of that we have got in Fletch who finished the season strongly and Fox who IMO is adequate cover for Pudil I honestly don't know why we have fans that seem to delight in slagging our Manager Edited June 23, 2017 by Lawrie Madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 The best thing about the Carlos out mob is that after he signed again they will be spewing for another season...it's tearing their guts out... if they had any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offalyowl Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 49 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: Lets analyse your assertion Forestieri £3m not wasted so presumably you'll amend your post to £27m Hooper £3.5m not wasted so .............................."....................................£23.5m Reach £5m i don't think wasted ..........................."...................................£18.5m Jack Hunt £1m ......................................................"...................................£17.5m D. Pudil £1.7m ........................................................"...................................£15.8m Abdi £4m juries still out so not wasted yet ......................".......................£11.8m Rhodes £10m he's been here 10 minutes .....................".......................£1.8m Personally i don't think any of the above are "wasted" maybe you disagree On top of that we have got in Fletch who finished the season strongly and Fox who IMO is adequate cover for Pudil I honestly don't know why we have fans that seem to delight in slagging our Manager What about winnall, Joao, matais, melo, another left back we signed from charlton, can't think of his name at the moment, also every player we signed for free wasn't cheap on wages and then we had to renew contracts for ff and bannan and that wasn't cheap either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now