coopswfc76 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 50 minutes ago, offalyowl said: Yeah I'd like an honest answer, earlier in this thread I asked could anyone give me 3 valid reasons why Carlos should be here after the semi finals this year and il hold my hands up and say I'm wrong but got grieve and still never got them and also I'm a foreigner so can't see your point there pal 1st Season 6th 2nd Season 4th Most points in Championship since BFR got us promoted in 91. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, coopswfc76 said: 1st Season 6th 2nd Season 4th Most points in Championship since BFR got us promoted in 91. Cheers...that'll do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, coopswfc76 said: 1st Season 6th 2nd Season 4th Most points in Championship since BFR got us promoted in 91. In fairness you it's not really a fair comparison when comparing Carlos to the rest of the managers we've had since relegation from the Premier League. The likes of Brian Laws, Dave Jones, Paul Jewel, Chris Turner, Stuart Gray and Terry Yorath weren't afforded the luxury of the level of financial backing that Carlos has enjoyed. Thanks to years of Mismanagement they were left scrapping around trying to sign players that nobody else wanted. It'd be interesting to see how Carlos would do at this level with a side consisting of Darren Potter, Tommy Miller, Luke Varney, Leon Clarke and James O'Connor and knowing there's no money to strengthen. No doubt we've acheived year on year progress under Carlos but to compare him to some of his predecessors who had far tougher working conditions as a little unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 It's a bit like F1 though, the best drivers get the best cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, BIG D said: It's a bit like F1 though, the best drivers get the best cars. Like Roberto Di Matteo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 51 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: In fairness you it's not really a fair comparison when comparing Carlos to the rest of the managers we've had since relegation from the Premier League. The likes of Brian Laws, Dave Jones, Paul Jewel, Chris Turner, Stuart Gray and Terry Yorath weren't afforded the luxury of the level of financial backing that Carlos has enjoyed. Thanks to years of Mismanagement they were left scrapping around trying to sign players that nobody else wanted. It'd be interesting to see how Carlos would do at this level with a side consisting of Darren Potter, Tommy Miller, Luke Varney, Leon Clarke and James O'Connor and knowing there's no money to strengthen. No doubt we've acheived year on year progress under Carlos but to compare him to some of his predecessors who had far tougher working conditions as a little unfair. I agree he's had increased backing and has improved our league position both seasons. So he's doing well then, Maybe not over achieved but he's achieved what we could reasonably expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 hour ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Off the top of my head, here are three reasons I'm more than happy that we're keeping Carlos: 1) He's achieved consecutive top-six finishes in his first two seasons in English football, which is nothing to be sniffed at, despite what some on here seem to think. Unless you think we had an automatic-promotion-ready squad at the start of either of Carlos' seasons in charge? 2) He has a 46% win rate, meaning that only minor tweaks are now needed to nudge us from being playoff regulars to automatic-chasers. 3) He represents continuity and stability, which, short of splurging the kind of cash a club like ours without parachute payments simply can't afford, gives us our best chance of competing at the top of this division next season. I can't think of anyone better placed to quickly assess the strengths and weaknesses of our squad, establish a style of play and hit the ground running come August. Why do you want him sacked? Only need one word out of that lot for me - Continuity. Good leaders know one thing "One voice" - one voice, one direction. It doesn't have to be the best plan in the world, but it has to be carried off with unity of the whole to do the job of the single idea. I personally do not see Carlos as the best available in this division right now, but if we were to move from Carlos to what I perceive to be the best, all the good work goes out of the window and it starts again. No thanks, Let's keep Carlos and achieve what we need to achieve sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 31 minutes ago, salmonbones said: Only need one word out of that lot for me - Continuity. Good leaders know one thing "One voice" - one voice, one direction. It doesn't have to be the best plan in the world, but it has to be carried off with unity of the whole to do the job of the single idea. I personally do not see Carlos as the best available in this division right now, but if we were to move from Carlos to what I perceive to be the best, all the good work goes out of the window and it starts again. No thanks, Let's keep Carlos and achieve what we need to achieve sooner. But at what point do you say thats another season without promotion so enough is enough, only to bring a new man in and give him time. Either way is a gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offalyowl Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 3 hours ago, daveyboy66 said: Cheers...that'll do I'll take your opinion because that's yours and il respect that but just because I don't agree it or anyone else doesn't make your any better than ours, anyway I just buried a good friend of mine today but we will finish this conversion again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 25 minutes ago, Mishowl said: Completely build a squad? Westwood, Loovens, Lee, Lees and Hutchinson (who are basically the spine of the team) were here before him. Stop making things up. I guess we will find out who "knows more about football" when CC goes and we can see just what was achieved. If I'm wrong I will come on and hold my hands up.......I hope you will do the same. This, plus it is arguable that Stuart Gray and many other managers would have achieved more with the amount of money Carlos has been given to spend. To say he has built the squad from scratch is ridiculous. Recruitment has been relatively poor over the past two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 15 minutes ago, Beauchief Owl said: This, plus it is arguable that Stuart Gray and many other managers would have achieved more with the amount of money Carlos has been given to spend. To say he has built the squad from scratch is ridiculous. Recruitment has been relatively poor over the past two years. This for me is the biggest question mark over Carlos, recruitment. Would Stuart Gray and Brian Laws have been afforded the luxury of signing Abdi, Jones, Rhodes, Joao, Matias and Reach with their comparable returns to the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I have to smile at threads like this. People moan about the squad, lack of pace, lack of physical players, full backs are crap, why do we sign players who are always injured, Loovens plays at walking pace , FF 's attitude is wrong , recruitment is rubbish etc etc and then same people moan when the manager only gets this bag of tripe to 4th in the league and misses out in a penalty shoot out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 9 hours ago, offalyowl said: I'll take your opinion because that's yours and il respect that but just because I don't agree it or anyone else doesn't make your any better than ours, anyway I just buried a good friend of mine today but we will finish this conversion again Sorry to hear that...there are more important things than football...condolences mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offalyowl Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 8 hours ago, daveyboy66 said: Sorry to hear that...there are more important things than football...condolences mate Thanks pal, means a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 WAWAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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