Guest kelliesleftnut Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 regarding brentford getting rid of their set up i think you have to look at the location, some big clubs down their neck of the woods. then have a look at our catchment area and the clubs around us, there is a lot of future premier league players out there in yorkshire and if we do it right they could be ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest We Shall Overcome Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 14 hours ago, TINKERBELL said: 3 years ago he'd be sold but not now I think. He won't be here long under this current coach, and that's from the 'Horses Mouth' as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 12 hours ago, Sgt Wednesday said: Developing very nicely Next season we need to trim down the options up top, so he gets a few opportunities in the early rounds of the cups. More than happy to go into the season with: Fletcher Rhodes Hooper Winnall Hirst You notice I miss FF off that list, I don't see him in the striker role, more of an attacking midfielder. Agree with this. Still think there is a player in Joao, but if it came down to giving Hirsty game time or persisting with Joao, then it would be Hirsty all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, kelliesleftnut said: regarding brentford getting rid of their set up i think you have to look at the location, some big clubs down their neck of the woods. then have a look at our catchment area and the clubs around us, there is a lot of future premier league players out there in yorkshire and if we do it right they could be ours. And the fact that Prem clubs can scoop em up for nowt after they've spent years developing em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, ramone said: Rhodes Hooper Forestieri Winnall Fletcher Joao Nuhiu Even if you sack off the bottom 2 he wouldn't get a look in. Nor would I expect him to. A loan move for the season is the best thing for his development at the minute. And lets be honest, if he does and goes, then fine. Thats life. But he shouldn't be anywhere near Hillsborough next year. Forestieri should be on the left, so I'd take him out. Nuhiu's time has come to move on. Joao, well I'd rather give Hirsty some game time off the bench/in the cups. With Hooper's recent injury record, Fletcher being a little hot and cold, expect Rhodes to be up to speed next season, and Carlos' seeming reluctance to play Winnall (think he might be flogged this coming window for a steady profit), Hirsty could get some reasonable game time. Personally, I'd rather he got a season on loan somewhere, but I wouldn't mind him getting cameo roles and cup games here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Who the chuff does Taylor-Crossdale think he is, waltzing on as sub and getting to take another pen that would have given Hirsty his 4th goal after already taking and scoring one earlier. (and no, HIrsty wasn't substituted!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 hours ago, ramone said: Rhodes Hooper Forestieri Winnall Fletcher Joao Nuhiu Even if you sack off the bottom 2 he wouldn't get a look in. Nor would I expect him to. A loan move for the season is the best thing for his development at the minute. And lets be honest, if he does and goes, then fine. Thats life. But he shouldn't be anywhere near Hillsborough next year. Bang on!! We already have enough decent strikers at this level and I don't see the point in rushing Hirst into the first team set up. I had this discussion a few weeks ago with a mate of mine and said at the time that although his form has been impressive, I'm not convinced there'd be as many calls for him to make what is a huge step up to the first team if it wasn't for who his dad was. I'd much rather see him go out on loan to a carefully chosen club in League 2 where he can be given the chance to learn and develop without the pressurised environment that can often be found in Hillsborough. I might be mistaken but if it's a youth loan, I'm pretty sure you can call him back after a month anyway so if he's not getting the game time needed we could always send him elsewhere. There really is no need to rush him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, TrickyTrev said: Bang on!! We already have enough decent strikers at this level and I don't see the point in rushing Hirst into the first team set up. I had this discussion a few weeks ago with a mate of mine and said at the time that although his form has been impressive, I'm not convinced there'd be as many calls for him to make what is a huge step up to the first team if it wasn't for who his dad was. I'd much rather see him go out on loan to a carefully chosen club in League 2 where he can be given the chance to learn and develop without the pressurised environment that can often be found in Hillsborough. I might be mistaken but if it's a youth loan, I'm pretty sure you can call him back after a month anyway so if he's not getting the game time needed we could always send him elsewhere. There really is no need to rush him. I think you can. And I also think that youth loans can be done at any time during the season and aren't governed by the transfer window. At the minute, he's standing out playing against boys. As we all know, its a completely different kettle of fish playing against blokes. Could you imagine how he's fair against a Richard Keogh at Derby for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimisticowl Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Is it just me, or is the fact that he is the talented son of a SWFC legend harming him? Would he be 'too young', 'not yet ready', 'not strong enough', etc; etc; if he hadn't got a famous father? If he was to go out on loan I'd consider Rotherham, Doncaster or Chesterfield to be decent options, after all Preston North End did no harm to a young David Beckham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddybeararmy Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, ZIMMY said: He won't be here long under this current coach, and that's from the 'Horses Mouth' as they say. Heard the same,wanted an improved contract ( not mega money), Mr C refused ,so didn't sign the contract offered. Apparently that's why hirst senior has nothing to do with the club now.will probably leave under the youth compensation scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Bring back proper reserve team football. All this development squad stuff doesn't prepare youngsters to play against seasoned pro players. In the reserves they'd come up against top players coming back from injury or older players just under 1st team level. Now they need to go on loan to lower league clubs, there's no chance those clubs will have the quality of coaches we do. The system isn't working to the benefit of younger players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincs Owl Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 16 hours ago, vulva said: Question - who was the last player to come through the ranks and score 20 goals in a season for the first team? And who was the last player to score 30 league goals for us? Without looking it up, I'd guess at Roy Shiner in 1956. Too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimisticowl Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 37 minutes ago, Lincs Owl said: And who was the last player to score 30 league goals for us? Without looking it up, I'd guess at Roy Shiner in 1956. Too long. David Layne scored 30 in a single season, 52 in 74 appearances between 1962 and 1964. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 How many full England internationals have we produced? In my lifetime I can only think of Sterland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 hours ago, prowl said: Bring back proper reserve team football. All this development squad stuff doesn't prepare youngsters to play against seasoned pro players. In the reserves they'd come up against top players coming back from injury or older players just under 1st team level. Now they need to go on loan to lower league clubs, there's no chance those clubs will have the quality of coaches we do. The system isn't working to the benefit of younger players. Agree with this. Reserve football is the way forward. These kids come out of academy football able to do tricks for Soccer AM, and with lovely hair. Can't help thinking the current system cultivates the egos of the 'technical' mob, such as Ashworth and Southgate, rather than produce fit for purpose footballers. What they need is the ability to play football with the likes of Billy Whitehurst kicking them, in a competitive league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 6 hours ago, kelliesleftnut said: regarding brentford getting rid of their set up i think you have to look at the location, some big clubs down their neck of the woods. They are in the same catchment area as QPR, Millwall, Charlton, Barnet and Orient All have the same big, powerful clubs to compete with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairOwl Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcityowlsfan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) I get what people are saying about who his Dad is, but with the exception of say Richie Humphries we haven't had an attacker with so much promise. Forget who is father is, this kid has some serious talent. I'd push for a L1 loan. I rate him. Edited June 2, 2017 by steelcityowlsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 hours ago, steelcityowlsfan said: I get what people are saying about who his Dad is, but with the exception of say Richie Humphries we haven't had an attacker with so much promise. Forget who is father is, this kid has some serious talent. I'd push for a L1 loan. I rate him. Perfectly reasonable position to take He should be on loan imo - league 1 would probably represent the right level He'll learn nothing by sitting on our bench every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 If hes as good as we think he is,and everyone esle says he is why would we loan him out? Get the lad in and get him scoring in an owls shirt no better place to learn ya trade then home sweet home S6,hes deffo got the knack from what ive seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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