Hundreds of Man U fans on pitch protesting

[SiJ]

1 hour ago, owls maniac said:

Half the pundits yesterday showed themselves to be utterly clueless about the subject they were talking about. 

Yeah, most had no idea.

 

The Glazers have spent several hundred million pounds.

 

No, they haven't.

 

That's all being money generated by the football club. This is not a Sheik Mansour or Roman type situation.

[owls maniac]

9 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Yeah, most had no idea.

 

The Glazers have spent several hundred million pounds.

 

No, they haven't.

 

That's all being money generated by the football club. This is not a Sheik Mansour or Roman type situation.

5 minutes of research would have told them that. Yet they go on air and either patronize or condemn the fans. Events like yesterday reveal the web of conflicted interests in the game which will suffocate any meaningful change. The people with the biggest platforms are largely in the pay of the billionaires who run the status quo. Good on Neville, Keane and Carragher for standing their ground. 
 

 

[Arthur Bach]

1 hour ago, owls maniac said:

And there have been protests against the glazers going right back to 2005. The recent ESL farce has just renewed things. 

 

The 2005 protests culminated in the creation of FC United of Manchester. Thats done and dusted.

 

The other one million fans in the country carried on as normal.

 

This isn't anything to do with ownership or fairness in football at all from a Manchester United perspective.

 

Lets not pretend otherwise.

[owls maniac]

43 minutes ago, Arthur Bach said:

 

The 2005 protests culminated in the creation of FC United of Manchester. Thats done and dusted.

 

The other one million fans in the country carried on as normal.

 

This isn't anything to do with ownership or fairness in football at all from a Manchester United perspective.

 

Lets not pretend otherwise.

So what is it then? 
 

There has been a growing discontentment amongst fans who have watched the club fall miles behind the likes of City whilst the owners pocket millions of pounds each year. And this after they bought the club by saddling it with debt. There are thousands of fans who haven’t set foot in OT since 2004.

[DobbinTheDonkey]

 

 

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[Arthur Bach]

1 hour ago, owls maniac said:

So what is it then? 
 

There has been a growing discontentment amongst fans who have watched the club fall miles behind the likes of City whilst the owners pocket millions of pounds each year. And this after they bought the club by saddling it with debt. There are thousands of fans who haven’t set foot in OT since 2004.

 

So what is the problem really?

 

If Man Utd were beset with silverware AND the owners were skimming millions in dividends would they be protesting?

[sheffield_dave]

3 hours ago, Arthur Bach said:

 

The 2005 protests culminated in the creation of FC United of Manchester. Thats done and dusted.

 

The other one million fans in the country carried on as normal.

 

This isn't anything to do with ownership or fairness in football at all from a Manchester United perspective.

 

Lets not pretend otherwise.

Yeah. I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but Manchester United fans had the opportunity in 2005 to make a stand against the Glazers and modern football. I know MUFC fans who did - season ticket holders, who went away and had been going years - and were involved from the outset with the formation of FC United. Who, by the way, have been proven right in everything they stood for.

 

I’m split today between enjoying the protests and cheering on supporter action of this scale, but also think it’s a complex discussion for United fans specifically. As with a lot of the ESL discussion, there seems to be a misconception that the status quo of the game has been tickety-boo and without issue, and it’s the ESL that’s the final straw. I find that.. disagreeable.. to say the least.. although if it’s the catalyst for decisions being made that benefit everyone then it may have to do.

[Belfast Owl 2]

1 hour ago, Arthur Bach said:

 

So what is the problem really?

 

If Man Utd were beset with silverware AND the owners were skimming millions in dividends would they be protesting?

 

Yes they have previously protested when trophies were being won.

 

 

[Belfast Owl 2]

16 hours ago, owls maniac said:

Oh come on. You’d think they had torched the stadium to the ground. I doubt billionaires 3,000 miles away will take much notice of people just standing outside. You have to make things uncomfortable for them. If that protest today went too far in your opinion then fans in this country are screwed

 

I think by storming the stadium and subsequent criminal damage on a minor scale sullies the protest.

 

It might make me seem a bit wet but thats my take on it.

[canadianowl]

The problem with the Glazers from the beginning was the fact they acquired Manchester Utd through a leverage buyout. They never fronted their own money to buy the club, the whole deal was one disgusting backdoor deal with private banks to parasitically steal billions from the club. At least in the case of City and Chelsea those owners at least paid and invested to build them up the way they are. The Glazer deal should have never been allowed to happen and the FA, UEFA, FIFA should have then, and if they haven't still, implement regulations to ban leveraged buyouts from ever happening again.

 

And all this talk of "the fans shouldn't be so hostile with their protest.." f**k that nonsense. They should continue get to get more hostile as time goes on. Whining about it on twitter does nothing, keep protesting and rioting and don't back down. You can never "legislate" these problems away by being giant fannies and doing nothing in the streets to enact the change you want. If it was good enough for BLM its good enough for football supporters. Don't back down, and don't shame the ones who have the balls to not back down. 

[Plonk]

27 minutes ago, canadianowl said:

The problem with the Glazers from the beginning was the fact they acquired Manchester Utd through a leverage buyout. They never fronted their own money to buy the club, the whole deal was one disgusting backdoor deal with private banks to parasitically steal billions from the club. At least in the case of City and Chelsea those owners at least paid and invested to build them up the way they are. The Glazer deal should have never been allowed to happen and the FA, UEFA, FIFA should have then, and if they haven't still, implement regulations to ban leveraged buyouts from ever happening again.

 

And all this talk of "the fans shouldn't be so hostile with their protest.." f**k that nonsense. They should continue get to get more hostile as time goes on. Whining about it on twitter does nothing, keep protesting and rioting and don't back down. You can never "legislate" these problems away by being giant fannies and doing nothing in the streets to enact the change you want. If it was good enough for BLM its good enough for football supporters. Don't back down, and don't shame the ones who have the balls to not back down. 

Well said mate. Time to reclaim what is rightfully ours

[owls maniac]

2 hours ago, Arthur Bach said:

 

So what is the problem really?

 

If Man Utd were beset with silverware AND the owners were skimming millions in dividends would they be protesting?

But they’re not. The stadium has fallen behind, the training ground has fallen behind, the team has fallen behind. The club simply isn’t matching its potential across the board, and that’s because the investment isn’t being made- instead these parasites are taking millions out. 
 

Seems pretty simple to me. 

[owls maniac]

30 minutes ago, canadianowl said:

The problem with the Glazers from the beginning was the fact they acquired Manchester Utd through a leverage buyout. They never fronted their own money to buy the club, the whole deal was one disgusting backdoor deal with private banks to parasitically steal billions from the club. At least in the case of City and Chelsea those owners at least paid and invested to build them up the way they are. The Glazer deal should have never been allowed to happen and the FA, UEFA, FIFA should have then, and if they haven't still, implement regulations to ban leveraged buyouts from ever happening again.

 

And all this talk of "the fans shouldn't be so hostile with their protest.." f**k that nonsense. They should continue get to get more hostile as time goes on. Whining about it on twitter does nothing, keep protesting and rioting and don't back down. You can never "legislate" these problems away by being giant fannies and doing nothing in the streets to enact the change you want. If it was good enough for BLM its good enough for football supporters. Don't back down, and don't shame the ones who have the balls to not back down. 

Spot on mate. All the Pearl clutching brigade on social media who talk a good game and then are no where to be seen when it gets ugly. Do people really think the Glazers will just hand the club back because fans are outside the ground? You have to hit them where it hurts, and that means the club losing money- be it from fines, games being canceled etc 

 

 

[canadianowl]

19 minutes ago, owls maniac said:

Spot on mate. All the Pearl clutching brigade on social media who talk a good game and then are no where to be seen when it gets ugly. Do people really think the Glazers will just hand the club back because fans are outside the ground? You have to hit them where it hurts, and that means the club losing money- be it from fines, games being canceled etc 

 

 

 

Yep, that's a really good point. I believe United and Liverpool supporters already tried the walkout style protest and it did nothing. If these people give up their season tickets thousands of tourists will buy them up and those supporters might get put on a 20-year waiting list to get them back. The best tactic, like you mentioned, is to deliberately have games cancelled, week after week, point deduction after point deduction. Can't have the team bus drop the players off when there are 10,000 angry supporters blocking the entry, can't kick off if there are constant delays for security reasons (albeit, not due to serious individual attacks or anything). Force the powers that be to make their decision and if it is to further punish the fans then at least they played their hand and there is no going back, now even the dumb naïve fence-sitters can deny who the real enemy is.

[Arthur Bach]

29 minutes ago, owls maniac said:

But they’re not. The stadium has fallen behind, the training ground has fallen behind, the team has fallen behind. The club simply isn’t matching its potential across the board, and that’s because the investment isn’t being made- instead these parasites are taking millions out. 
 

Seems pretty simple to me. 

 

So its the clubs performance and stature that is the issue then?

[scram]

1 hour ago, sheffield_dave said:

 As with a lot of the ESL discussion, there seems to be a misconception that the status quo of the game has been tickety-boo and without issue, and it’s the ESL that’s the final straw. I find that.. disagreeable.. to say the least.. although if it’s the catalyst for decisions being made that benefit everyone then it may have to do.

 

This is it really isn't it

 

As an entity the game was a sh*tshow way before the ESL shambles. 

 

But now it's been forgotten and the previous mess will again prevail

[owls maniac]

36 minutes ago, Arthur Bach said:

 

So its the clubs performance and stature that is the issue then?

It’s all wrapped up together. The Glazers have bought the club with debt, increased ticket prices, slashed costs and taken millions out. As a result the team, stadium, facilities etc have all deteriorated. It’s a cash cow, and the fans aren’t standing for it. 

[Arthur Bach]

5 minutes ago, owls maniac said:

and the fans aren’t standing for it. 

 

So what have they been doing for the last 16 years?

 

Organising yesterdays riot?

[Ellis Rimmer]

11 minutes ago, Arthur Bach said:

 

So what have they been doing for the last 16 years?

 

Organising yesterdays riot?

they've literally been going on about the glazers for years. Some of them even formed a new club that got to the conference north. 

[Arthur Bach]

4 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said:

they've literally been going on about the glazers for years. Some of them even formed a new club that got to the conference north. 

 

As I stated above, the faction of fans who formed FC United of Manchester did something about the Glazers. They did something to the extent that it now shouldn't matter what the Glazers do or don't do at Manchester United as the fans walked away and formed a new club.

 

Thats history, its done, whether right or wrong its done.

 

Are people suggesting that if Man Utd secured new owenership, an ethical and traditional ethos and renewed success the FC fans would return to Old Trafford?