Official :6 English teams agree to Super League

[bobowl]

The worldwide TV rights probably dwarf anything the uk based fans can generate, so the home grown fans are stuffed.

[Maddogbob]

2 minutes ago, owlinexile said:

 

There's a new angle the government could pursue.

 

If they want to be treated like businesses instead of sports clubs, let's treat them like businesses.

 

You could take them to absolute pieces with anti-cartel/competition laws.

 

 

I think that's what Boris is trying to do.

 

But's lest remember how much money and tax football generates in this country.

 

So the hypocritical meter is on overload for me.

 

Have the 14 EPL clubs neshed it yet?

Edited April 20, 2021 by Maddogbob

[darra]

45 minutes ago, mcmigo said:

Course it did.

 

games on TV that barely anyone watches due to cost (audiences on sky games are a 10th of what they are on free TV)

Tickets that are outrageously priced - over £1k for season tickets at some prem clubs

FFP rules, parachute payments, TV money share means those 6 clubs always get the top 4 places anyway - I can think of only Leicester once, and Everton once in the last 15 or so years where it hasnt been.  

 

And we are now saying that this next action -basically a restructuring of the champions league - is the straw that broke the camels back? 

 

Bizarre.

When Man U have 2 keepers on a combined wage of over £34 million a year on it's not surprising they are chasing the cash cow. Their wage bill according to a site on Google is around £130 million a year.

[Maddogbob]

4 minutes ago, Groundhopping Owl said:

They have to play to their crowd, seeing as any decision made on joining the Super League would have to be approved by that same crowd.

Yep timing is key.

 

[Groundhopping Owl]

Just now, Grandad said:

 

Oh sorry.

 

I didn't realise I'd said that 

Well what were you saying then? Forgive me for thinking your post might have had slightly more purpose than pointscoring on fans for not taking more action earlier.

[FreshOwl]

Competitive balance exists. Sure Man City are quite a way ahead, but in the premier league there is 10 points between 3rd - 10th. Hardly a bloody gulf is it?!?!

 

Leeds are in the top half. Leicester and West Ham in the top 4 

 

There is ALWAYS going to be better teams at the top, forever 

[Chriss]

So in theory you could put a forward line of Gary Madine and Jay Bothroyd out and still reap the rewards of those billions.. 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Chriss

[darra]

45 minutes ago, scram said:

 

 

TV rights and spnsors will demand the extra 5 matches they have paid for though

 

And they will get them either through UEFA having no choice - or through the courts which will be especially costly for UEFA

 

They're in a no-win situation

 

Not often i feel for those c*nts but they have no choice in this

One of the reasons football in the EPL and EFL carried on? Sky amongst other providers were looking at large  compensation packages if football had been cancelled

[Groundhopping Owl]

3 minutes ago, FreshOwl said:

Competitive balance exists. Sure Man City are quite a way ahead, but in the premier league there is 10 points between 3rd - 10th. Hardly a bloody gulf is it?!?!

 

Leeds are in the top half. Leicester and West Ham in the top 4 

 

There is ALWAYS going to be better teams at the top, forever 

A lot of these teams have gone into this league precisely because they're suffering from too much domestic competition. Arsenal are ninth in the PL. AC Milan haven't played a Champions League fixture since 2014 for Christ's sake.

 

If they really wanted to make a league to help remedy lack of competition then the teams to invite should be Ajax, Red Star Belgrade, Dinamo Zagreb etc. 

[scram]

10 minutes ago, Groundhopping Owl said:

What complete guff. Vast swathes of football fans are anything but "OK" with the above.

 

 

 

Vast swathes of football fans accepted it and embraced it - indeed chased it every step of the way

 

If the outcry and hostile reaction to the latest developments had maybe happened earlier then we might be at the point we've reached - where maybe fan and matchday culture would be much more part of the reckoning than it has been

 

Fans continually howl for their clubs to invest more and more - to get better more costly players and pay obscene wages way beyond the ability of most clubs to pay them

 

It's like some fans have literally just been confronted with the reality that clubs operate as businesses that you are customers and if you get priced out then too bad - there's millions more customers out there able and willing to pay

 

This is where those practices lead - and it's been the destination for years

[darra]

34 minutes ago, alan48 said:

Exactly where is this £23 billion start up cost coming from , and exactly who is sposnoring it , Sky ?

Smart money is on Amazon Prime. They've been looking to get rid of Sky covering sports for a few years now.

[FreshOwl]

You can invest and still remain in competition ffs 

 

Why does demanding investment mean it’s ok to F off and join a closed shop???

Edited April 20, 2021 by FreshOwl

[owlinexile]

1 minute ago, scram said:

 

 

Vast swathes of football fans accepted it and embraced it - indeed chased it every step of the way

 

If the outcry and hostile reaction to the latest developments had maybe happened earlier then we might be at the point we've reached - where maybe fan and matchday culture would be much more part of the reckoning than it has been

 

Fans continually howl for their clubs to invest more and more - to get better more costly players and pay obscene wages way beyond the ability of most clubs to pay them

 

It's like some fans have literally just been confronted with the reality that clubs operate as businesses that you are customers and if you get priced out then too bad - there's millions more customers out there able and willing to pay

 

This is where those practices lead - and it's been the destination for years

 

Well, let's stop it then.

 

 

[darra]

35 minutes ago, CircleSeven said:

What ‘holier than thou attitude’ are the German clubs displaying? I’ve read their statements and they just say they aren’t joining the ESL and they think the answer to the Corona crisis is to look at player fees and wages and agent fees and to adjust them to reflect the new financial environment. Not seen any ‘holier than thou’ chat from them. Have you seen something different?

Team's like Bayern are partly fan owned so can't see them voting to join?

[owlinexile]

4 minutes ago, Groundhopping Owl said:

A lot of these teams have gone into this league precisely because they're suffering from too much domestic competition. Arsenal are ninth in the PL. AC Milan haven't played a Champions League fixture since 2014 for Christ's sake.

 

If they really wanted to make a league to help remedy lack of competition then the teams to invite should be Ajax, Red Star Belgrade, Dinamo Zagreb etc. 

 

You can't 'invite' teams to remedy lack of competition.  It's a contradiction in terms.

[Guest Grandad]

11 minutes ago, Groundhopping Owl said:

Well what were you saying then? Forgive me for thinking your post might have had slightly more purpose than pointscoring on fans for not taking more action earlier.

 

Pointscoring on fans?

Get a grip pal

[Maddogbob]

2 minutes ago, owlinexile said:

 

Well, let's stop it then.

 

 

I don't think you can, the power has been eroded.

 

 

[Groundhopping Owl]

4 minutes ago, scram said:

 

 

Vast swathes of football fans accepted it and embraced it - indeed chased it every step of the way

 

If the outcry and hostile reaction to the latest developments had maybe happened earlier then we might be at the point we've reached - where maybe fan and matchday culture would be much more part of the reckoning than it has been

 

Fans continually howl for their clubs to invest more and more - to get better more costly players and pay obscene wages way beyond the ability of most clubs to pay them

 

It's like some fans have literally just been confronted with the reality that clubs operate as businesses that you are customers and if you get priced out then too bad - there's millions more customers out there able and willing to pay

 

This is where those practices lead - and it's been the destination for years

I don't disagree with any of that, particularly the bottom part - but we're not going to change the way football is headed by turning on each other now.

 

Re-litigating arguments about steps along the road to hyper-capitalist football, be it reserve teams in the cups, the Champions League having non-champions in it or the Premier League being a breakaway league in the first place, suits the powers that be down to the ground.

 

If it's too late to stop a Super League, it might not be the worst thing - focus on saving the rest of the game. I'd be perfectly happy to ignore the "parallel universe" of the Super League and carry on watching football that retains at least some attachment to its roots.

[CircleSeven]

5 minutes ago, darra said:

Team's like Bayern are partly fan owned so can't see them voting to join?

Agreed. They certainly won’t be diving in head first right away. 

[Rogers]

8 minutes ago, darra said:

Team's like Bayern are partly fan owned so can't see them voting to join?

True..

 

one if the best laws in football...

 

Under German Football League [DFL] rules, football clubs will not be allowed to play in the Bundesliga if commercial investors have more than a 49 percent stake.

In essence, this means that private investors cannot take over clubs and potentially push through measures that prioritise profit over the wishes of supporters. The ruling simultaneously protects against reckless owners and safeguards the democratic customs of German clubs.