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23 hours ago, Lincs Owl said:

I disagree.

Charlton was here for 6 years and couldn't get us into the top division. 

As for Huddersfield, we played them 4 times that season. Won 2 drew 2.   

CC showed with Rio Ave, he can achieve success without money. 

Sacking him was one of the worst things we've done since we sacked Francis. 

 


This is seriously delusional. 
 

Charlton took over with us in the Third Division,  turned us around, took us into Division two and got close to taking us into the top league. 
 

He took us to an FA Cup semi final when it was a higher competitive, prized trophy. 
 

He laid the foundations for Howard Wilkinson. 
 

He could only dream of the type of financial support provided to Carlos who left us in total turmoil. 
 

Let’s stop re-writing history - Carlos achieved nothing. 

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On 02/04/2021 at 12:44, RichSheffWeds said:

Not fit to lace the boots of the likes of Jack Charlton and Howard Wilkinson. 
 

Acheived nothing after having very heavy financial support. 
 

And those tactics against Huddersfield 😡

Agree that was unforgivable and tarnishing

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On 02/04/2021 at 12:26, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

 

 

 

I've been reading it for years and have only just made it to the end of the 3rd chapter: 'Meat, Fire and Rock N' Roll'.

Its my basic mantra for life, Carlos nicked it.

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Carlos didn’t win anything with us, but that first season we played some excellent entertaining football. He took Gray’s resolute spine and added attacking flair. We were a good championship team. Even in his second season we put some solid runs together to make the playoffs again, more comfortably than the season before.

 

I don’t get the grief he receives, particularly from the same posters who stand up for Monk. WTAF.

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On 02/04/2021 at 15:24, @owlstalk said:


 

Because we are still trying to tidy up the mess he left behind 

 

So he left the mess behind, that was his responsibility, yet know you absolve every manager since then of any responsibility. How does that work? 

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3 minutes ago, Tyto Alba said:

A good manager would have taken us up.

 

So he is not a good manager? Just luck he has done in his last two jobs then?

 

6th and getting to the final was more than most expected from the first season. 4th was a good finish second season, we blew it against Huddersfield and he got that wrong tactically for me but that doesn't make him a bad manager. 

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9 hours ago, RichSheffWeds said:


This is seriously delusional. 
 

Charlton took over with us in the Third Division,  turned us around, took us into Division two and got close to taking us into the top league. 
 

He took us to an FA Cup semi final when it was a higher competitive, prized trophy. 
 

He laid the foundations for Howard Wilkinson. 
 

He could only dream of the type of financial support provided to Carlos who left us in total turmoil. 
 

Let’s stop re-writing history - Carlos achieved nothing. 

It was a different world back then

He gives an interview with Jim Rosenthal one of the most honest interviews you will ever see and he blames himself for not getting us promoted 

In another interview (it may even be the same one) he says he didn't add to the team because  he was too concerned about club finances (or words to that effect)

OK it’s a different world now but Jack ran the club from top to bottom

Imagine having a manager that cared about the club and it’s future that much he put them before himself and his own success 

And that my friends is why Jack Charlton is the greatest manager Sheffield Wednesday have had in my lifetime

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22 hours ago, quinnssweetshop said:

Please make this club wrecker go away

 

Blaming Carlos for the state of the club is a little bit like blaming the barista who quit your local Starbucks two years ago because the Starbucks stock price is down and the financials are a mess this quarter. 

 

Carlos is reinventing football in the Primeira Liga and going to the CL. 

 

We're still a mess, closing in on a half dozen managers later. 

 

It's the executive suite that's the issue.  Not the guy that was on the touchline getting us into the playoffs. 

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55 minutes ago, Indoor Owl said:

 

Blaming Carlos for the state of the club is a little bit like blaming the barista who quit your local Starbucks two years ago because the Starbucks stock price is down and the financials are a mess this quarter. 

 

Carlos is reinventing football in the Primeira Liga and going to the CL. 

 

We're still a mess, closing in on a half dozen managers later. 

 

It's the executive suite that's the issue.  Not the guy that was on the touchline getting us into the playoffs. 

lol

Stick to ice hockey and sipping lappy crappy chinos

The bloke wrecked what team we had with his insane methods. Carlos has a history of this.

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16 hours ago, 109Waddle said:

Carlos didn’t win anything with us, but that first season we played some excellent entertaining football. He took Gray’s resolute spine and added attacking flair. We were a good championship team. Even in his second season we put some solid runs together to make the playoffs again, more comfortably than the season before.

 

I don’t get the grief he receives, particularly from the same posters who stand up for Monk. WTAF.


Well the first response literally says he’s too foreign (apparently racism is now okay on here) and Monk is English, so there you go 

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6 hours ago, Indoor Owl said:

 

Because of how easy it is to do that, and how easy it is to get into the playoffs every year? 


When we go another 10 years not even close to the playoffs, those who insult CC still now might realise that those years were memories we should be fond of, because we don’t have anything else 

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Let it go he failed because he sabotaged everything with his philosophy. He manages a season of so then things fall apart. He caused a huge injury list and failure to understand playing negative football will work. A top draw version of Carlos philosophy is Marino he is now starting to fail and never manages more than a couple of years, that's with top top players..... Carlos COULD be a top manager but his own philosophy always rooms him..... If he played like we did in his first season yes but his actual style is stop the opposition until last 20mins then attack.... It fails 

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