torryowl Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, FinnishOwl said: Our contracts should always be incentive based, no matter who we are talking about. It's the only way to avoid the Wednesday way with players. youd only ever sign the desperate for a contract on that basis ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I bet you can't show me a single footballers contract that isnt' incentive based though Define incentive based... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiregreenowl 80 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, daleblue said: Just because it worked for that team, doesn't mean it works for all. Why have a Manager? When Alex Ferguson was Managing Utd, was it him or was it the players doing their own thing? Ultimately you need both to be a successful team. But needs must if manager is no good. I couldn't give a throw if Hutchinson spends all week doing nothing as long as he performs on a Saturday. Speaking of Alex Fergus on he let a player play ever Saturday but dint train all week. Great player mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4evaowl Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Why ? What are his coaching qualifications? Didn't he get coaching qualifications when he retired after leaving Chelsea? Not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: We’ve been in decline since the playoff final. Hutchinson was here for the majority of that time. Why do you think bringing him back could be a masterstroke ? Because a fit Hutchinson is a good player who could help keep us in this division. Is the counter argument, don't sign him and drop Bannan, reach, Westwood, Lees and Palmer? Yes we have been in decline, I would argue after the Hudds semi and all the players who have stayed with us through that time, carry some responsibility. I am just looking from here to the end of the season. Without a manager, a direction and a centre forward; with 23 cup finals ahead of us, having Hutch in the ranks will make a positive difference imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, El Toro said: He seemed to hesitate slightly when saying in this capacity. Could be that Thompson is the manager till the end of the season and Hutchinson is a player/coach? Just hasn’t been confirmed yet which is why he hesitated. I’m clutching at straws but it’s not the craziest thought. Yeah. It is. Is that really what you would want ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, 4evaowl said: Didn't he get coaching qualifications when he retired after leaving Chelsea? Not sure. Yes he did he went back coaching their youth and they asked him to consider coming out I’d retirement not sure what level he qualified or if their up to date to be honest I haven’t a foggiest about coaching badgers apart Irvine had loads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Anyway, so he’s back. I’m not going to lie, I always find his voice a bit disappointing. It’s that kind of west of London drawl. But the main event is his hair. It’s an absolutely magnificent barnet! Flawless locks! Is that the incentive he’s talking about? Keep his hair on top form so when the football is garbage at least we have a work of art to look at? Welcome back Sam’s hair! And Sam of course as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shiregreenowl 80 said: Ultimately you need both to be a successful team. But needs must if manager is no good. I couldn't give a throw if Hutchinson spends all week doing nothing as long as he performs on a Saturday. Speaking of Alex Fergus on he let a player play ever Saturday but dint train all week. Great player mind It's not for the players to decide whether to adhere to what a Manager wants, they are there to play the way the Manager sets them up, sometimes it takes quite some time before the Managers vision is fully appreciated, and other times it never comes to fruition, but that is down to the Manager, he will be the one to lose his job. If Hutchinson or any other player spends all week doing nothing, the Manager will never know if the players are on board with his vision, and can move onto the next stage of his plan. You cannot have footballers dictating what happens at the Club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, davidoslive said: When he says he didn’t expect to be back in this capacity... Does he anticipate being a (the?) future Manager / Head Coach? I can see that sometime and I think he can by that comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, jp1981 said: When he stopped paying, when he was at Chelsea, he trained and got his coaching badges and was a coach there. Which badges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiregreenowl 80 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, daleblue said: It's not for the players to decide whether to adhere to what a Manager wants, they are there to play the way the Manager sets them up, sometimes it takes quite some time before the Managers vision is fully appreciated, and other times it never comes to fruition, but that is down to the Manager, he will be the one to lose his job. If Hutchinson or any other player spends all week doing nothing, the Manager will never know if the players are on board with his vision, and can move onto the next stage of his plan. You cannot have footballers dictating what happens at the Club. Probably Hutchinson best games was under Carlos. He didn't train a full week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, 4evaowl said: Didn't he get coaching qualifications when he retired after leaving Chelsea? Not sure. Which qualifications ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack of Clubs Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Yeah. It is. Is that really what you would want ? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack of Clubs Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Which badges? 10m swimming badge and 2nd grade woodwork. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Why ? What are his coaching qualifications? 2 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Which badges? 1 minute ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Which qualifications ? Think it must be a secret mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, Pieman said: Because a fit Hutchinson is a good player who could help keep us in this division. Is the counter argument, don't sign him and drop Bannan, reach, Westwood, Lees and Palmer? Yes we have been in decline, I would argue after the Hudds semi and all the players who have stayed with us through that time, carry some responsibility. I am just looking from here to the end of the season. Without a manager, a direction and a centre forward; with 23 cup finals ahead of us, having Hutch in the ranks will make a positive difference imho. So you really believe that in isolation, the signing of Hutchinson could keep us in this division ? How does questioning the signing of Hutchinson make an argument for dropping “Bannan, reach, Westwood, Lees and Palmer?” You said signing Hutchinson is a masterstroke ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Shiregreenowl 80 said: Probably Hutchinson best games was under Carlos. He didn't train a full week So what you are saying is that without the disruption of Hutchinson during the week the other players were able to concentrate on the Managers plan and it worked well in the next game and this gave Hutchinson his best game. So you are now agreeing with me. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiregreenowl 80 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Hookowl said: Think it must be a secret mate When he retired think he did his coaching badges and was a coach at Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shiregreenowl 80 said: When he retired think he did his coaching badges and was a coach at Chelsea Think he coached or helped coach their academy team for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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