"New managers tend to be insecure about old pros knocking about,"

[Tony Pulis]

This is a quote from an article I just read on The Athletic, from ex-Morecambe player Kevin Ellison. It just made me think whether this reasoning could have been a large factor in the freezing out of Hutchinson and Westwood. Of course, we'll probably never know the full reasoning, but it does make you wonder

[McRightSide]

I heard they were concerned about the frozen centre of the baked Alaska that Monk brought to the Christmas party.

[debram]

12 minutes ago, Tony Pulis said:

This is a quote from an article I just read on The Athletic, from ex-Morecambe player Kevin Ellison. It just made me think whether this reasoning could have been a large factor in the freezing out of Hutchinson and Westwood. Of course, we'll probably never know the full reasoning, but it does make you wonder

Old pros and quality players are difficult at times but they win you games, they just need managing, a bit of give and take. 

[the monk]

Would seem not too many fancy"managing them" these days 

[DJMortimer]

Luhukay and Monk didn't seem to feel that way about other senior players like Fletcher, Nuhiu, Bannan, Lees, Lee or Palmer. It goes beyond what is suggested here I reckon. Look at just about any change of manager at all levels and in all circumstances. The new boss will usually set about replacing as many players as he practically can. I've always assumed it was insecurity about the previous regime getting any credit for anything that is achieved. For example, Trevor Francis will always face the charge that he only did what he did because he inherited such a good squad from Ron Atkinson. Even when we were skint the rapid turnover of players continued as managers were replaced.

[nevthelodgemoorowl]

It's what is termed 'The Nature of the Beast'. Why were the two royal brothers murdered in the Tower ?

Edited September 27, 2020 by nevthelodgemoorowl

[@owlstalk]

2 hours ago, Tony Pulis said:

This is a quote from an article I just read on The Athletic, from ex-Morecambe player Kevin Ellison. It just made me think whether this reasoning could have been a large factor in the freezing out of Hutchinson and Westwood. Of course, we'll probably never know the full reasoning, but it does make you wonder

 

 

Oh great 

 

Another thread lamenting the might ‘westy’ and ‘hutch’

[Paul..]

19 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Oh great 

 

Another thread lamenting the might ‘westy’ and ‘hutch’

 

At least one of them is still technically employed by the club, unlike a certain George Hirst...

 

[bigash_swfc]

We was never going to transition with a bunch of aged senior pros. Everyone in every job is protective over their wage and status. Nobody wants to see a kid excel past you. The clear out was needed.

[Mr Farrell]

Is it that unreasonable to just accept they were just a pair of overpaid Cockwombles that no longer added value.

[Beholder]

4 hours ago, Tony Pulis said:

This is a quote from an article I just read on The Athletic, from ex-Morecambe player Kevin Ellison. It just made me think whether this reasoning could have been a large factor in the freezing out of Hutchinson and Westwood. Of course, we'll probably never know the full reasoning, but it does make you wonder

Defo something in this. 

 

Any manager needs to be the boss.

 

Takes a very strong character to carry on with old pros doubting their every move. 

 

 

[jonnyowl]

They were frozen out because in Monks opinion Dawson and Pelupessy were better options at the time!

[matthefish2002]

Westwood is in reserves with no one wanting to a punt on him.

Hutchinson playing in Cyprus.

I dont think if those 2 were in the side at moment things would be any better.