Barnsley amongst clubs threatening to sue EFL if we arent relegated

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Royal_D said:

We cannot appeal an Independant Disciplinary panel decision , the EFL can if they feel the punishment isn’t sufficient and I believe there into that process with Birmingham’s recent outcome 

 

Wasn't a financial case specifically but Macclesfield appealed against an EFL case ruled upon by an Independent Disciplinary Panel.

[Guest]

I Stand to be corrected lads,  but am sure whatever decision the panel comes to can’t be appealed again ,  the EFL can appeal it though 

 

on further reading it looks like I am wrong, agree now with people saying absolutely no chance of any final decision anytime soon because the club will appeal 100% 

Edited May 20, 2020 by Guest

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

It's a good site. Lots of interesting, well written stuff on there. 

 

It might well be but I am as Yorkshire as it gets as far as spending money is concerned, even my in-laws who are of Scottish descendancy are in awe of my frugality! 

[Hitcat]

All hail Big Chans. Best chairman in the galaxy.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Hitcat said:

All hail Big Chans. Best chairman in the galaxy.

Boring 

[Hitcat]

3 minutes ago, Royal_D said:

Boring 

 

Yawn.

[trumbullowl]

12 hours ago, Grandad said:

If the Daily Mail posted irrefutable video evidence on their website of Chansiri telling somebody that Wednesday fans were w*****rs - there are posters like Casbah who would say "Yeah, but Daily Mail"

 

I really wish I believed in anybody as much as that.

With deep fake AI video altering technology you could come up with that video very easily if you wanted to. So I would agree with Casbah, 'yeah, but Daily Mail'.

[Ever the pessimist]

14 hours ago, ReadingOwl said:

In principle

 

Being objective and fair - wouldn’t you feel aggrieved if your Club was relegated, whilst others having flouted the rules, maintained their status?

 

So I understand the sentiment.

 

However, nothing has been proved/decided yet.

100% agreed.

100% pleased to see you post again.

Easy my friend.

[Swiss Toni]

7 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

To be fair, what we're charged with doesn't seem like what I'd describe as a grey area. The real issue is what documentation there is to corroborate the respective versions of events. 

If another club In our league sold its ground back to the club to massage the figures accordingly in another accounting year and it was made public knowledge ate you saying that would be acceptable to you? That’s the grey area I’m talking about, the moral grey area. I’m sure a thread about it in here would be pages and pages of people calling for action to be taken.

 

If it were that cut and dry regarding documentation to corroborate events this would have been cleared up many moons ago. Think the change in leadership at the head of the EFL has been the biggest issue here and the one that leaves me wondering if we are going to be hit hard and then appeal etc. It could potentially drag on for a long time yet which doesn’t help the club one iota.

[DJMortimer]

59 minutes ago, Swiss Toni said:

If another club In our league sold its ground back to the club to massage the figures accordingly in another accounting year and it was made public knowledge ate you saying that would be acceptable to you? That’s the grey area I’m talking about, the moral grey area. I’m sure a thread about it in here would be pages and pages of people calling for action to be taken.

 

If it were that cut and dry regarding documentation to corroborate events this would have been cleared up many moons ago. Think the change in leadership at the head of the EFL has been the biggest issue here and the one that leaves me wondering if we are going to be hit hard and then appeal etc. It could potentially drag on for a long time yet which doesn’t help the club one iota.

 

I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that I'm supportive of what we're charged with. The post you responded to doesn't even hint at my feelings either way. However, I have posted extensively about it in other threads and been as critical as the situation allows at the moment, even sticking up for a football finance specialist who was getting panned for having the temerity to not be cheerleading our strategy.

 

I still maintain that the documentation is the key. Either it demonstrates that we have acted in good faith, with appropriate approval, in timely fashion and within the regulations, or it doesn't. For example, why did it evidently take the Land Registry so long to process the change of ownership?

 

 

[Plonk]

At the end of the day the transaction was signed off by an accountant and accepted by HMRC. So I’m guessing it was legal. How can the EFL have rules that prevent a company doing something that’s legal.  

[Emerson Thome]

I've got no idea if we're guilty or not - but to me it seems a bit odd that Barnsley and Luton are trying to get the punishment brought forward (understandable the reasons why, but I don't think a different club coming 24th would help Barnsley much in any case, unless they want to sue us for the money they would get for coming 23rd?).

 

In normal circumstances the season would have finished by now and the legal case still hasn't been decided. If guilty, it is not as if the case refers to this season in any case. Any points penalty (for us or Derby) should be applied to next season.

[Guest The Horse]

Ownership rules need changing so that all debt is the sole responsibility of said owner.

The clubs themselves will never be in danger of being lost that way.

They can stay within the rules and run a club sustainably using ticket sales, transfers, merch etc. Not a problem. Club and fans are safe.

But if a chairman wants to gamble, then it's his choice but also his responsibility to pay the consequences should he lose the spin.

The club and by extension the fans and local businesses should not be punished.

Nor used to buy extra chips at the table when the first gamble is lost.

[striker]

5 hours ago, Plonk said:

At the end of the day the transaction was signed off by an accountant and accepted by HMRC. So I’m guessing it was legal. How can the EFL have rules that prevent a company doing something that’s legal.  

Absolutely, also agreed beforehand and signed off by EFL if reports are accurate. 

 

While morally questionable, both us and Derby complaint with EFL rules at the time and UK law. 

[Dick_Turpin]

5 hours ago, Plonk said:

At the end of the day the transaction was signed off by an accountant and accepted by HMRC. So I’m guessing it was legal. How can the EFL have rules that prevent a company doing something that’s legal.  

 

They say - and it's been repeated on here umpteen times - that after the fact extra information became available.  

 

None of us know what that information is. None of us know whether the auditors were privy to it and how it changes the transaction based on EFL rules. I agree that it's hard to see how the transaction can be doubted - despite the circumstantial evidence when Chansiri stated at a fan forum that we'd be in bother if we didn't come up with a plan when the accounts suggest he'd already come with a plan that solved the bother he was talking about.

 

That's the only thing that puzzles me but I think we'll be OK - especially with a top lawyer and recent EFL failings in cases. 

[FroggattOwls]

6 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that I'm supportive of what we're charged with. The post you responded to doesn't even hint at my feelings either way. However, I have posted extensively about it in other threads and been as critical as the situation allows at the moment, even sticking up for a football finance specialist who was getting panned for having the temerity to not be cheerleading our strategy.

 

I still maintain that the documentation is the key. Either it demonstrates that we have acted in good faith, with appropriate approval, in timely fashion and within the regulations, or it doesn't. For example, why did it evidently take the Land Registry so long to process the change of ownership?

 

 

With regards to the land registry issue, I’m running through a lease extension at the moment. I own my own place outright, but it’s lease hold from the property management company. Of which due to being a resident I own one share. 
 

Just trying to process the paperwork in extending something like a lease takes months and apparently updating the land registry form something  even this basic takes months at the moment, from my lawyer.

 

Doing the paperwork for the Hillsborough transaction will be far more complex, time consuming and involved than people realise. 

[soldierboyblue]

7 hours ago, Swiss Toni said:

the moral grey area.

No such thing

[DJMortimer]

8 minutes ago, FroggattOwls said:

With regards to the land registry issue, I’m running through a lease extension at the moment. I own my own place outright, but it’s lease hold from the property management company. Of which due to being a resident I own one share. 
 

Just trying to process the paperwork in extending something like a lease takes months and apparently updating the land registry form something  even this basic takes months at the moment, from my lawyer.

 

Doing the paperwork for the Hillsborough transaction will be far more complex, time consuming and involved than people realise. 

 

According to Kieran Maguire, in the case of the Hillsborough sale this took way longer than he considered normal. I defer to his knowledge of such things as I don't have any. No doubt the current circumstances have extended that timeframe in a way that did not exist back then either. He also reckoned that there had been no transfer of funds between the interested parties during that time.

[Guest]

Anyone else sick of all this and genuinely losing interest in everything football/Sheffield Wednesday related ?  Or is it just reading this forum that’s depressing me 

[Guest Grandad]

11 minutes ago, Royal_D said:

Anyone else sick of all this and genuinely losing interest in everything football/Sheffield Wednesday related ?  Or is it just reading this forum that’s depressing me 

 

Completely feel the same way. 

 

Though I felt like that from Christmas onwards