@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, trev said: It's his money. How much has man city and psgs owners lost? But they don't care.. the clubs are just play things and they want the success and kudos. If the owners are borrowing money from the club or selling assets or getting loans and into debt I concur. But if they are billionaires and want to lose a billion on their football crush. That's up to them...or it should be. I'm amazed at just how quickly and completely football fans have been conditioned to think like this Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: I'm amazed at just how quickly and completely football fans have been conditioned to think like this Football is a business like any other. If a rich bloke buys a failing business but wants to plough billions into it....nobody stops him. In fact it it applauded. In football it's frowned upon and the owner and club are called "new money" glory seeking, plastic etc. It's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: But people are spouting that Wednesday's brand has been damaged Surely there's at least ONE tiny teeny weeny bit of actual evidence otherwise why would you say it? I'm not asking to try and trip anyone up. I want to learn. I want to see how we've been damaged so I can form a view either way or not. Or you are trying to drive traffic by being deliberately obtuse And being unable to provide evidence to the contrary A very simple example would be to speak, as I have, with people not interested in football or Wednesday( so not from the dark side) and ask whether they feel the club has been impacted by the recent bad press....if they say no I am wrong, but if they have a negative view of the club that is a damaged brand. Although not specifically business based, they may have a child who gets interested in football and has to make a choice of teams, which would not be us Must be something antagonistic in the Christian From Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, trev said: If a rich bloke buys a failing business but wants to plough billions into it....nobody stops him. In fact it it applauded. I've never experienced that at all personally Give me an example so I can see what you mean mate Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Great Big Galaa said: You can’t conceivably have a conversation about P&S without bringing up parachute payments as the two are intrinsically linked? It’s why we and others have pushed the boat out to compete, is it not? Currently 6 Championship clubs receive on average £40M each in parachute payments, the other 18 each receive £4.5M. Conceivably, next season, there could be 8 Championship clubs receiving parachute payments ………. 1/3 of the league!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroggattOwls Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, blueandwhitematt said: I'm far from Chansiri's biggest fan, but with the topics that Prince Andrew's 'sense of entitlement' refer to, and all the connotations that come with that, its absolutely incredible that The Athletic decided it was OK to publish that comment. Maybe if it was attributed to someone, then at least that gives some accountability and someone to come back onto, but to just allow an unnamed source to attack someone's personal character in an article way overstepped the mark. There's plenty to discuss regarding how Chansiri runs the football club in a legitimate manner, without descending into that sort of territory. Looks like they pulled that comment fairly swiftly anyway - someone got a bit twitchy somewhere, and rightly so. For what its worth, if we get found guilty we should absolutely be punished this season, no doubt. If we're found not guilty, all parties need to accept it and crack on - it can't work both ways that a party will only recognise the result if it goes in their favour. Also all charges against swfc individuals were recended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, nbupperthongowl said: A very simple example would be to speak, as I have, with people not interested in football or Wednesday( so not from the dark side) and ask whether they feel the club has been impacted by the recent bad press Nah mate I'm not having that as an answer If I went to anyone and asked them whether they felt that YOU would be affected by bad press I can guarantee you their answer would be YES. FFS come on... I'm just looking for one specific example of what's been affected. One business that won't do business with us One player who won't sign for us because of it Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I've never experienced that at all personally Give me an example so I can see what you mean mate The Chinese who bought British steel? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50411621 Edited May 20, 2020 by trev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, trev said: Football is a business like any other. If it was our players, and those at every other club in the country, wouldn't still be getting paid full money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, nbupperthongowl said: Or you are trying to drive traffic by being deliberately obtuse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Grandad said: If it was our players, and those at every other club in the country, wouldn't still be getting paid full money Business is the same...employment contracts are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, DJMortimer said: You know someone's lost a debate when they use the word 'traffic' I wait for it every time I see someone struggling in a discussion Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, trev said: The Chinese who bought British steel? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50411621 And the Indians who bought it before them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: You know someone's lost a debate when they use the word 'traffic' I wait for it every time I see someone struggling in a discussion You just used it. Edited May 20, 2020 by DJMortimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Bugger Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, Sham67 said: And the Indians who bought it before them. I'm not saying it's a good thing. Purely that rich people do buy failing businesses and plough money into them. Hoping for riches in the future. Or in football's case....prestige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, trev said: The Chinese who bought British steel? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50411621 I don't see the correlation at all? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Grandad said: If it was our players, and those at every other club in the country, wouldn't still be getting paid full money if our owner was upto his eyes in debt like that articles informer purports , our players wouldn’t be getting paid at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I don't see the correlation at all? Ok then. You just trying to drive traffic to the site or something?? :) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, Royal_D said: if our owner was upto his eyes in debt like that articles informer purports , our players wouldn’t be getting paid at all Our players have always been paid even when we HAVE been up to our eyes in debt so Grandad's point is proven Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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