Latest Plans on Finishing The Season

[scram]

23 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

There is much more to this issue than the chances of fit, young men dying from Coronavirus.

 

Why are you repeating the same hand-picked facts that NOBODY is arguing with?

 

 

 

Added to that is the "fit young footballers" will be entering an unknown zone when pushed to their exertional limits

 

It is why the Dr's are still unhappy - literally nobody knows how everybody will react

 

Another risk category is black players - who are vastly over represented in football relative to their population ratio

 

Why do people think nobody wants to take ownership of the decision to restart football - nobody will take responsibility for adverse events

 

But pleasing that some people are very willing for the players to take the risk on their behalf...

[Guest Mcguigan]

17 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

So the 300 people who show up for game 2 are somehow rendered immune because they were there the previous week? It's 27,000 potential exposures regardless.

 

As far as I'm aware, even the proposed extensive testing programme has it's limitations in terms of time taken or reliability. But if any do test positive, they are presumably replaced with someone else anyway.

 

But you kind of mislead because you said 27,000 people x 3 or 4 in the household is approaching six figures.

 

When, in reality it would be around 6,000 x 3 or 4 in a household.

[Mystic Neg]

It's pretty obvious that we've been starved of anything to moan about football wise for the last 9 weeks!

 

League 2 have done the right thing today, League 1 will do the same next week, eventually the championship. The Premier league will finish behind closed doors, rightly or wrongly. 

 

When it comes to legal cases, clubs don't tend to have an awful lot of success against the EFL. The likes of MacAnthony are all mouth and no trousers, they'll be play offs but Wycombe will snatch their place on PPG. Would love it if that happened! 

[DJMortimer]

2 minutes ago, Mcguigan said:

But you kind of mislead because you said 27,000 people x 3 or 4 in the household is approaching six figures.

 

When, in reality it would be around 6,000 x 3 or 4 in a household.

 

Well consider it 27,000 potential EXPOSURES then. It's purely semantic nit-picking because the risks and the potential for spreading the virus remain precisely the same. It's still around 300 individuals showing up to each game and then going away again. The virus won't be checking if they turned up the previous week or not.

 

The only exception would be anyone who test positive, isolates for the appropriate time and then returns to whatever role they had. But I'd venture that if there are too many of those, the whole adventure will be abandoned anyway.

 

[lanzaroteowl]

23 hours ago, sweetsheri said:

Thing is we've never really been in a lockdown. We called it that but it wasn't

 

Other countries first phase of coming out is akin to our fully blown lockdown..

 

Football won't start up. Particularly in the EFL

PL will no doubt give it a go until something happens, which is inevitable, then it'll be off again.

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by lanzaroteowl

[lanzaroteowl]

What would happen if one of the relegation threatened team's star striker came down with Covid 19?

Minimum of 4 games in isolation. 

There would be uproar from their supporters. 

[pazowl55]

Either the players will all kick off and that will end the season or the R will rise dramatically and we will be in lockdown again and that will put an end to it.

 

I just dont see this season finishing on the pitch regardless of all the supposed start dates.

[the third man]

11 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

Either the players will all kick off and that will end the season or the R will rise dramatically and we will be in lockdown again and that will put an end to it.

 

I just dont see this season finishing on the pitch regardless of all the supposed start dates.

Apparently, according to todays briefing the R rate isn't that important because it might be wrong

 

when it was high we had to get it down, now it could be on its way up again its not that important, only a politician I suppose, of the PL

Edited May 15, 2020 by the third man

[Guest]

it's little wonder League 2 have taken the PPG approach looking at the standings.

All of the current top 3 keep their automatic promotion status under PPG so they are happy, likewise with the teams currently in the play-offs. Stevenage are bottom and PPG doesn't change that so anyone with any threat of finishing bottom will take PPG now.

 

The only ones likely to have considered not voting for this are the 3 or 4 within touching distance of play-offs. Many of the mid-table teams at that level have furloughed players and so resuming would mean them having to pay 80% of their wages that they aren't currently and with little TV money and no crowds they would have no further income to cover this.

 

The situation in League One is more complicated as PPG could see positions in automatic, play-off and relegation places change so no surprise they haven't reached an agreement.

 

I heard this being discussed on 5 live yesterday and the pundits/reporters suggested that the Championship are not likely to base their approach on what comes out from todays League 1 and 2 meetings and are more likely to work with the whatever the PL does (lapdogs). 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Mystic Neg said:

It's pretty obvious that we've been starved of anything to moan about football wise for the last 9 weeks!

 

League 2 have done the right thing today, League 1 will do the same next week, eventually the championship. The Premier league will finish behind closed doors, rightly or wrongly. 

 

When it comes to legal cases, clubs don't tend to have an awful lot of success against the EFL. The likes of MacAnthony are all mouth and no trousers, they'll be play offs but Wycombe will snatch their place on PPG. Would love it if that happened! 

 

Do you think the Championship will void the season or accept a PPG method like League 2 has done? It is much easier for League 1 as they only have 1 relegation place and are considering scrapping this for this season.

 

I can't see it. PPG in the Championship would leave the table as it is now but with 3 teams relegated. Charlton are in the final relegation spot but are within 1 win of 5 teams. 1 of those teams is on the worst form in the country since Christmas and lost their 2 best players in the January transfer window so Chalrton would be in with a good chance of turning that 1 result around in the remaining 9 games.

[the third man]

26 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

it's little wonder League 2 have taken the PPG approach looking at the standings.

All of the current top 3 keep their automatic promotion status under PPG so they are happy, likewise with the teams currently in the play-offs. Stevenage are bottom and PPG doesn't change that so anyone with any threat of finishing bottom will take PPG now.

 

The only ones likely to have considered not voting for this are the 3 or 4 within touching distance of play-offs. Many of the mid-table teams at that level have furloughed players and so resuming would mean them having to pay 80% of their wages that they aren't currently and with little TV money and no crowds they would have no further income to cover this.

 

The situation in League One is more complicated as PPG could see positions in automatic, play-off and relegation places change so no surprise they haven't reached an agreement.

 

I heard this being discussed on 5 live yesterday and the pundits/reporters suggested that the Championship are not likely to base their approach on what comes out from todays League 1 and 2 meetings and are more likely to work with the whatever the PL does (lapdogs). 

 

 

Points per game wont change league positions unless one team has played more or less games than them around them in the table

 

If all teams have played the same number of games then their average points per game will keep them in exactly the same position

 

points per game, in most cases, is just saying  stick with the positions you are in now

 

[Bigblueowl]

2 hours ago, handworth52 said:

nobody is dying of covid 19 unless you are elderly ,frail or have serious health issues or are in the front line of nhs where they are receiving high doses in the covid wards. im sick to death of this `there at risk`prognosis . listen to top professors ,analyse the figures and you will find if your not in those groups then you have more chance dying in a car crash.  everything in life is a risk once you go through the front door its weighing up whether the risk is too high or not . most parents regard 2 kids dying out of 10.5 million children as too risky yet 140 died in same period of other illnesses. what life do people want? the world heath organisation has stated this will be around for many years ,and a vaccine is unlikely ,what are we all supposed to do? ban schools or tell 4 year olds to avoid there friends in turn completely ruining there childhood,completely crash the economy where later this year the furloughing will come to an end and several million will be jobless   . the sooner common sense prevails the better. I saw somebody yesterday nearly hit by a car because there that afraid they were walking on the  road instead of the  footpath ,the fear in people is the biggest danger to life going forward. 

Underlying issues? You know the ones where they don't know they have them! 

[Dick_Turpin]

10 minutes ago, the third man said:

Points per game wont change league positions unless one team has played more or less games than them around them in the table

 

If all teams have played the same number of games then their average points per game will keep them in exactly the same position

 

points per game, in most cases, is just saying  stick with the positions you are in now

 

They were talking about having weighted PPG to take into account home and away results because some teams in the lower leagues had had an imbalance of home and away games. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by rickygoo

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, the third man said:

Points per game wont change league positions unless one team has played more or less games than them around them in the table

 

If all teams have played the same number of games then their average points per game will keep them in exactly the same position

 

points per game, in most cases, is just saying  stick with the positions you are in now

 

 

Exactly, which is not the case in League One as the play-off place would change, unlike in League 2. There is also little to separate the teams between 2nd and 8th in that division and Tranmere are only 3 points off safety which I would imagine they feel is recoverable. 

So different to League Two were there is less of a tight scrap for the top places and only 1 relegation place and that is now being debated.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, rickygoo said:

They ere talking about having weighted PPG to take into account home and away results because some teams in the lower leagues had had an imbalance of home and away games. 

 

They've decided against that for League 2.

All sorts of imbalances to consider if you start weighting PPG - home and way games played as you say, teams who lose out in this way will then maybe want to consider games played against top 6/bottom 6 opposition, form since making use of the January transfer window etc. potential minefield that.

[Nero]

Thing is, league 2 have now set the precident. Any other method used to end the season in the EFL would cause a monumental legal problem.

 

[the third man]

3 minutes ago, Nero said:

Thing is, league 2 have now set the precident. Any other method used to end the season in the EFL would cause a monumental legal problem.

 

Don't understand how an organisation can have different rules for what is basically the same competition

 

Except it is the EFL, so I suppose its par for the course

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Nero said:

Thing is, league 2 have now set the precident. Any other method used to end the season in the EFL would cause a monumental legal problem.

 

 

But that's already happened. The Championship didn't get involved in the discussions with League One and League Two today because they don't feel a standard approach across all 3 leagues will work for them and even League One and League Two have shown today they feel differently. 

[apswfcowl]

8 hours ago, scram said:

 

 

excellent effort - however...

 

Racist.

[WalthamOwl]

I wish they would just end the Championship for this season, from a safety point of view, it is a unnecessary risk that doesn’t need to be taken, but also because I haven’t missed us getting spanked in every game one bit. With the potential point deduction hanging over us if it is applied this season in the position we are in the league with the players we have I really feel we will go down. I would rather start next season with a point deduction to at least give us a fighting chance. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by WalthamOwl