mogbad Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, prowl said: Hoping to kick off 13th June. I don't see that it can happen. On 30th June a lot of players contracts expire and the whole structure of a lot of playing squads will dramatically change. The run in will be a nightmare with a number of teams losing games they would normally expect to win or draw. They might as well draw lots for who goes up and who goes down. It really is going to be a shambles. There will be clubs wanting to move players on at the end of their contracts who they will have to resign. Players who know they aren't going to be wanted long term won't want short term contracts with the risk of injury. They said before that sometime around now was the last possible date to start training. They will miss that by a couple of weeks. It's a none starter but they just won't accept reality. If one player gets the virus after they've restarted there will be at least 2 teams that can't play, train together or work on tactics for 14 days, how does that fit with sporting integrity if one of the teams is in or around promotion or relegation places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Children seem to be less affected than the rest of us overall While that is true, it is not known if children can carry the virus and pass it on. A swiss virologist says there is no significant risk from children, while a german virologist says there could well be. The general consensus is to err on the side of caution, until it can proven one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 13 hours ago, rickygoo said: Matthew Syed’s view - essentially making the point that ultimately we must live alongside this thing and assess the risks accordingly. Mathew Syed the man who played table tennis. Really high risk sport ping pong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Big Jack said: Mathew Syed the man who played table tennis. Really high risk sport ping pong. Clever bloke though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, mogbad said: If one player gets the virus after they've restarted there will be at least 2 teams that can't play, train together or work on tactics for 14 days, how does that fit with sporting integrity if one of the teams is in or around promotion or relegation places. The self isolation rules will be different for football Only the affected player will have to self isolate - not the whole squad, staff or any opposition players That is the current plan as football accelerates its bid to start up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) Imo it’s just crazy for the season to start again. Rules like no tackling in training, yet in a league match they obviously will be tackling. I just think it is so dangerous and irresponsible of the government and the EFL to give this the go ahead. Football really isn’t important right now. Be even less important when it does start again and our wasters are embarrassing us and the club week after week. Also if we are doing to get docked points this season surely that should be announced before the season restarts. It’s just going to make things even more messy. Edited May 13, 2020 by WalthamOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Also I wonder how long a break they will have between this season ending and the 20/21 starting. What’s going to happen with players contracts that end next month. Hope we don’t have to keep the lazy sods even for a month or 2 extra. So many questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, TINKERBELL said: Government can end this if they want, the French government did. wish they would. They won’t though. All comes down to money imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, scram said: The self isolation rules will be different for football Only the affected player will have to self isolate - not the whole squad, staff or any opposition players That is the current plan as football accelerates its bid to start up again https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/13/premier-league-football-project-restart-threat-coronavirus-safety According to this they are still sorting the rules out. Nixon was having fun with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, scram said: The self isolation rules will be different for football Only the affected player will have to self isolate - not the whole squad, staff or any opposition players That is the current plan as football accelerates its bid to start up again From the EFL's 'return to training protocol. Training groups should be a maximum of 5 players Twice weekly coronavirus antibody tests and temperature screening protocols for players and staff - a positive test means the training group self isolates for 14 days. Surely that would mean if on restart and a player tested positive after a match the whole squad would need to isolate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said: From the EFL's 'return to training protocol. Training groups should be a maximum of 5 players Twice weekly coronavirus antibody tests and temperature screening protocols for players and staff - a positive test means the training group self isolates for 14 days. Surely that would mean if on restart and a player tested positive after a match the whole squad would need to isolate. According to the Guardian article re the PL "Some managers are believed also to have asked questions about what should be done in the event of a player testing positive for Covid-19, with the league still to agree upon a position over whether the entire squad should isolate as a result." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: According to the Guardian article re the PL "Some managers are believed also to have asked questions about what should be done in the event of a player testing positive for Covid-19, with the league still to agree upon a position over whether the entire squad should isolate as a result." I can't see how they can take the risk not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said: From the EFL's 'return to training protocol. Training groups should be a maximum of 5 players Twice weekly coronavirus antibody tests and temperature screening protocols for players and staff - a positive test means the training group self isolates for 14 days. Surely that would mean if on restart and a player tested positive after a match the whole squad would need to isolate. Thats been updated today It now states anybody in the training environment and close contacts should isolate according to PHE guidelines It doesn't specify what "close contact" is Edited May 13, 2020 by scram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Self isolation from PHE is now a minimum of 7 days Quote if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information) after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you just have a cough after 7 days, as a cough can last for several weeks after the infection has gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, scram said: Thats been updated today It now states anybody in the training environment and close contacts should isolate according to PHE guidelines It doesn't specify what "close contact" is I'm sympathetic to the aim of restarting - like every other industry there will come a time when it's poo or bust. However, I am seeing more and more your point that rules are being amended to suit the aim rather than the science. I suppose part of the problem is everyone says they are following "the" science when in reality there is no "the" - there's a whole load of different bits of science which people can't at the moment agree on because the facts are still hazy. That allows for flexibility while still purporting to be following science - but it may be totally misguided. And yet at some stage we all have to go back to work otherwise liquidations will accelerate rapidly. It's a question of when risks can be quantified and reduced to an acceptable level, then there's the issue of who rules on what's acceptable! In my game it's ultimately the insurers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, WalthamOwl said: I just think it is so dangerous and irresponsible of the government and the EFL to give this the go ahead. They have given the 'green light' to make preparations to start no earlier than June 1. However, A return to action will only be possible though if sufficient progress is made in limiting the spread of the virus between now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumboldowl Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 On 12/05/2020 at 11:09, rickygoo said: When it comes to the workplace the instructions is "wherever possible" and if not possible try not to be face to face and if it is face to face it shouldn't be for more than 15 minutes at a time. So it's vaguer than don't do it. Most of our players will have no difficulty in observing that instruction, they were following it before the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 13 hours ago, scram said: The self isolation rules will be different for football Only the affected player will have to self isolate - not the whole squad, staff or any opposition players That is the current plan as football accelerates its bid to start up again That isn't safe. That's how you get whole leagues infected. If one player gets it all his contacts need to isolate or they risk infecting others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, prowl said: That isn't safe. That's how you get whole leagues infected. If one player gets it all his contacts need to isolate or they risk infecting others. Very true. But that doesn't get Leagues completed and tv money in the bank does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 11 hours ago, sherlyegg said: They have given the 'green light' to make preparations to start no earlier than June 1. However, A return to action will only be possible though if sufficient progress is made in limiting the spread of the virus between now and then. That's a cop out. If they relaxed lockdown rules at the beginning of this week infections will increase on the first day. That won't be obvious because it takes about a week for people to become symptomatic. Infact the number of confirmed infections will continue to drop for a couple of weeks. After 2 weeks the infected people will start turning up at hospitals and that's when the official confirmed figure start to go up. That's not much before 1st June. They really won't have any valid data at that point. They must know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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